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Reports coming out are proving these stories to be false. It just should prove to anyone so eager to believe this how biased they really are. Use common sense people. Look at her campaign schedule, like she had time to go "shopping" all the time. The people who worked along side her even say the most she ever asked for was a diet coke. No one who has said any of this has gone public.

Madskillz, you really should have learned not to pop a woody at every negative Palin story. Remember the "Trigg is not her baby story" I guess this just falls in that category of outrageous story that you fell for... heres a cookie.



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Why would you name your super liberal news the Huffington Post anyway?

That's like the most conservative sounding name i've ever heard.



bigjon said:
Reports coming out are proving these stories to be false. It just should prove to anyone so eager to believe this how biased they really are. Use common sense people. Look at her campaign schedule, like she had time to go "shopping" all the time. The people who worked along side her even say the most she ever asked for was a diet coke. No one who has said any of this has gone public.

Madskillz, you really should have learned not to pop a woody at every negative Palin story. Remember the "Trigg is not her baby story" I guess this just falls in that category of outrageous story that you fell for... heres a cookie.

Links?

Madskillz did keep the Trig baby story going a little bit longer than necessary, but it was no more ridiculous than some of the people claiming Obama wasn't a U.S. citizen or was a terrorist.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

CNN just posted an article that has some of Palin's responses to these claims.  It also includes a few more tidbits that McCain staffers leaked out.  Note, that almost all of the information seems to be coming from the campaign itself.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/07/mccain.palin/index.html

Palin calls attacks 'cruel' and 'cowardly'

(CNN) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called former aides of Sen. John McCain "jerks" for circulating unflattering stories about her since the Republican ticket lost its bid for the White House Tuesday.

Sources close to John McCain say Sarah Palin was denied a chance to speak at McCain's concession address.

The stories, which have been attributed to unnamed sources within the McCain campaign, include claims that Palin did not know Africa was a continent instead of a country, or which countries are part of the North American Free Trade Agreement, despite touting her familiarity with neighboring Canada.

Speaking with CNN's Gary Tuchman after returning to Alaska, Palin speculated those stories may have originated with campaign staffers who helped her prepare for her debate with Democratic Vice President-elect Joe Biden.

"Those were taken out of context and that's cruel," Palin said. "It's mean-spirited. It's immature. It's unprofessional and those guys are jerks if they came away with it, taking things out of context, and then tried to spread something on national news." 

One source involved in preparing Palin for interviews and the vice-presidential debate told CNN "she had not paid attention to a single policy debate that's gone on in this country for 10 years."

Palin told Tuchman she remembers having conversations about NAFTA and Africa during her preparations, but that the stories about her "are not true." She said it was "cowardly" for staffers to make claims about her anonymously.

"It's not fair and it's not right." 

Two McCain sources said they were furious about Palin's supposed call Saturday with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, which turned out to be a prank by two radio DJs.

A source close to Palin told CNN that she had prepared to deliver a concession speech Tuesday night, and expected to address the crowd at the Arizona Biltmore in Phoenix, Arizona.

Several sources told CNN that McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt told Palin no, in part because of built-up anger among some McCain aides who say Palin had become more interested in her own future than in McCain's election. Palin denies that claim.

There have also been reports of a somewhat distant relationship between McCain and his running mate.

"This is so unfortunate and, quite honestly, sickening," Palin aide Meghan Stapleton said Thursday in a written statement.

"The accusations we are hearing and reading are not true, and since we deny all these anonymous allegations, there is nothing specific to which we will respond. 

"We have the highest regards for Sen. John McCain. Gov. Palin was honored to be chosen as McCain's running mate. And as governor of Alaska, Gov. Palin looks forward to working with President-elect Obama on securing energy independence for America."

On Election Day, Palin denied there was tension. Once back in Alaska, she said she would not respond to individual accusations. 

"I won't comment on anyone's gossip or allegations that are based on anonymous sources," she said. "That's kind of a small, evidently bitter type of person, who would anonymously charge something foolish like that -- that I perhaps didn't know an answer to a question. So until I know who was talking about it, I won't have a comment on false allegations."

In response to the allegations that she was ill-prepared for interviews and debate, Randy Scheunemann, an aide assigned to Palin, called her "brilliant" and said she has a "photographic memory."

Despite the acrimony, many McCain aides say they are sad the campaign team dissolved so quickly.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

bigjon said:
Reports coming out are proving these stories to be false. It just should prove to anyone so eager to believe this how biased they really are. Use common sense people. Look at her campaign schedule, like she had time to go "shopping" all the time. The people who worked along side her even say the most she ever asked for was a diet coke. No one who has said any of this has gone public.

Madskillz, you really should have learned not to pop a woody at every negative Palin story. Remember the "Trigg is not her baby story" I guess this just falls in that category of outrageous story that you fell for... heres a cookie.

Dude, it wasn't just me. It's Newsweek too that reported it. You don't have to believe me - but seriously, did you NOT see her interviews with Katie Couric?

False? It was on FOX, so you be the judge.

Woody? LOL ... you funny.

As far as Trig and the like - her doctor since 1997 gave her a good bill of health. Until DNA evidence is released, I still believe that's her daughter's baby. We have photographic evidence to her *pregnancy* and it's really her word against ... what?

With the rest of the stories, tell me - why should they lie? If it's proven false, I have no prob admitting I'm wrong. She can say she didn't do this and that, but if there's evidence ... folks have lost their lives.

If it was just FAUX News saying it, it's suspect. But Newsweek? Two source vs. Palin's word. Thanks, but no thanks, BJ.

 

 



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I think all the reports about Palin getting too big of a head and putting her own future ahead of the McCain campaign are some of the most interesting. If you heard that prank phone call mentioned in the article she seemed incredibly willing to entertain ideas about running for President, and there have been other interviews and comments from her in the press shortly before or shortly after the election ended which corroborate this.

Personally, I think she is too far to the right to win an election, not to mention there are serious questions about her mental competence.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
I think all the reports about Palin getting too big of a head and putting her own future ahead of the McCain campaign are some of the most interesting. If you heard that prank phone call mentioned in the article she seemed incredibly willing to entertain ideas about running for President, and there have been other interviews and comments from her in the press shortly before or shortly after the election ended which corroborate this.

Personally, I think she is too far to the right to win an election, not to mention there are serious questions about her mental competence.

The call proved one thing - she's clueless. I mean, she mentions she would consider running for president *soon* and other stuff - she didn't understand jack what the caller said.

I don't think you can make this stuff up. Think about it - wonder why McCain's camp never let her hold a press conference and gave her intense prep for interviews? Here's your proof, your honor.

Help me out - you or Steven ... which is in law school? What is your verdict after seeing the evidence?

 

 



Steven will be entering law school soon and I am in law school now. What was the question? Whether or not Sarah Palin is incompetent? That is a resounding yes.

And whether or not these stories are bogus is a most definite no. Much of what I have read has shown a fairly consistent message, that Palin quickly became a liability to the McCain campaign after they picked her because of not necessarily her lack of political experience, but her lack of general political knowledge. Once that Katie Couric interview came out, which was a softball interview, I have read from many sources that the McCain campaign put Palin in lockdown so that she couldn't even be in front of a camera unless they wanted her to be there.

There was evidence of infighting with in the McCain campaign weeks ago (CNN had a frontpage article on it about 3-4 weeks ago), and even days after they picked her they were finding out all kinds of things they didn't know since the vetting process was abbreviated.  McCain definitely picked her without having a lot of time to carefully consider the choice since his numbers in the polls were drooping.  I really don't think anyone can argue that she was his first choice.

And its not like the information is just spontaneously arising from the boogeyman that is the liberal media. The stories have come from all over, and all touch on a few resounding themes, that McCain took a risk in picking Palin and that she turned out to be way more unqualified than he expected. Its really not surprising that this extra dirt is spilling out after the campaign (as it always does since people within the campaign try to keep a lid on it so that it doesn't affect the election), and like I said all of these recent stories seem to be originating from the campaign itself.

Not to mention the fact that there is a dearth of evidence out there that Palin IS politically knowledgeable, so people trying to claim these stories are bogus really don't have much evidence to work with to claim that they AREN'T bogus.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

I don't think you're the most credible source on whether they are accurate. You can claim you think they are, but the "resounding" part is presumptuous.

I noticed media coverage of here turned sour when she didn't rush to give interviews. That could be interpreted a lot of ways, but I've noticed the media tends to generally start to turn on those who don't "play ball".



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akuma587 said:

Steven will be entering law school soon and I am in law school now. What was the question? Whether or not Sarah Palin is incompetent? That is a resounding yes.

And whether or not these stories are bogus is a most definite no. Much of what I have read has shown a fairly consistent message, that Palin quickly became a liability to the McCain campaign after they picked her because of not necessarily her lack of political experience, but her lack of general political knowledge. Once that Katie Couric interview came out, which was a softball interview, I have read from many sources that the McCain campaign put Palin in lockdown so that she couldn't even be in front of a camera unless they wanted her to be there.

There was evidence of infighting with in the McCain campaign weeks ago (CNN had a frontpage article on it about 3-4 weeks ago), and even days after they picked her they were finding out all kinds of things they didn't know since the vetting process was abbreviated.  McCain definitely picked her without having a lot of time to carefully consider the choice since his numbers in the polls were drooping.  I really don't think anyone can argue that she was his first choice.

And its not like the information is just spontaneously arising from the boogeyman that is the liberal media. The stories have come from all over, and all touch on a few resounding themes, that McCain took a risk in picking Palin and that she turned out to be way more unqualified than he expected. Its really not surprising that this extra dirt is spilling out after the campaign (as it always does since people within the campaign try to keep a lid on it so that it doesn't affect the election), and like I said all of these recent stories seem to be originating from the campaign itself.

Not to mention the fact that there is a dearth of evidence out there that Palin IS politically knowledgeable, so people trying to claim these stories are bogus really don't have much evidence to work with to claim that they AREN'T bogus.

This. You have seen the report and presented a deep and well-thought out argument. I really just laugh when folks defend her in spite of this. Folks can blast Biden but no one has accused him of being:

Sympathetic to a group that encourages secession from the Union

Married to a person who has strong ties to a group that wants to secede from the Union

Multiple sources that she went hogwild on expensive shopping sprees

Was asked basic questions in interviews and was completely clueless - on camera

Has no clue on major events, party policies and doctrines and sticks to GOP talking points like glue

Had the VP debate gimped to allow her to compete

Has proven time and time again she is a diva, not a leader

I could go on and on, but I'd be wasting my time.