ive been on Vgchartz for months. But not seeing the NA and Europe bundles not being taken into account made me create this. I had to tell someone.....

This is a little ridiculous since the GT5: Prologue bundle was recently posted in Japans weekly numbers......yet no mention of the PES Europe or the King Fu/Lego Bundle for 360.

@Ghost: How do you know that PES bundles aren't included in vgchartz numbers?

 because the gap between the 360 and PS3 version was too wide. And since its popular, the 360 weekly numbers should have risen a little, not go down.

That aside, even if your right, there was a Lego Indiana/Kung Fu bundle for both Europe and NA released last week that should be in the charts, but they arent. Even the Arcade Europe/NA Sega Tennis bundle is omitted.

Bundled software sales are still sales. Wii Sports counts, GT5: Prologue in Japan counts, yet these 360 bundled games dont for some reason.

PES was huge on PS3 compared to 360 even in UK. In Italy PS3 PES sold 112k compared to just 34k for 360. And GFK does count bundles because otherwise Halo 3 should never have come back in top 40 UK chart. So VGChartz data is almost spot on.

This is what I want to ask.... where are you looking to find out that they are not included, because I think they are.

 if the Lego Indiana/Kung Fu and Sega Tennis bundles for North America isnt included THIS WEEK, then something is wrong.

They are advertised on tv, ive seen them in stores, so they exist. At the very least, those two bundles must be in NA charts this week.

The difference is, those X360 bundles are OPTIONAL... you are not forced to get them based on which model you want.

Wii Sports is given with every Wii in America and Europe (though not some "others" countries)

GT5P in Japan is given with all PS3s except the few that Little Big PLanet comes with, but that is more expensive and sells less.

Europeans are given the choice to buy an X360, or and X360 with Lego/KungFu.... but they choose it without those games (which I certainly would, Kung Fu Panda is not exactly high quality material)

Similarly they are not forced to buy the PES bundle, most PES sales will come from game copies only for people who had the console already, then a few might have wanted the game at the same time that they went to buy a X360 so they get the bundle.

Fair enough.

However, North America is a different story. All Arcades are now offering Sega Tennis. All Pros and Elites offer Lego Indiana/Kung Fu Panda. There is no option to buy without those games. Or at least the 360's that dont include them are selling out now.

Either way, ive seen these things sell. If those 3 games dont show up in the North American top 50 THIS week, something is wrong and Vgchartz has to correct it. 

I think it just has to do with the ease and reliability of tracking.

In Wii Sports' case, we know it has a 100% attach ratio with game systems in North America and Europe, so it's very easy to count. Although I, and many others argue the validity of including said numbers in official data aggreggates, it's still easy (and nice) to have WS numbers available.

In GT5P's case, it's also rather easy since the tracking is done by other service - Enterbrain/Famitsu/MC have the data readily available.

With the X360, it's a diffferent story since SKU's have different bundles. Sega Superstar Tennis comes with the Arcade, whereas Lego IJ and KFP are with the Pro/Elite. Unless VGC has bundle sales data, there's no way to get a viable ratio of sales, so the right bundles can be tracked with reliability - At least last year, when we had the Forza 2/Marvel Ultimate Alliance bundles, it was cross-SKU and everything got it.