| PDF said: true in that sense that China doesn't have a way to the British isles. |
They already did it once, along with India, the two most populated countries in the world.
Yea, those basterds have got game.
| PDF said: true in that sense that China doesn't have a way to the British isles. |
They already did it once, along with India, the two most populated countries in the world.
Yea, those basterds have got game.
Jackson50 said:
The PRC has one inoperable Soviet aircraft carrier. They have a fairly capable submarine force, however.
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True... but that's about all they have. That and Destroyers which... are ok but not great alone.
I mean, maybe they could slip through with a ballistic sub or two and nuke the British isles. But i think it'd be against them.
Admittidly though with the way the royal navy is going... it may actually turn out that "swarm" tactics could win the day after a while, since the British i believe are cutting down their navy.

TheRealMafoo said:
They already did it once, along with India, the two most populated countries in the world.
Yea, those basterds have got game. |
You are talking about Hong Kong and Tibet?

| PDF said: The Chinese Economy is strong and they could easily start outspending the British in military spending. Tech wise the UK is very strong but I still doubt they could take China alone. |
If you gave them a lot of time sure.... but if they went to war like tommorrow.
I'd expect Britain to win... if they took out the Chinese Navy it just becomes a game of "Lets fire missles at them from the sea where they can't reach us, and bomb with are ridiculiously expensive almost impossible to shoot down bombers till they do what we want!"
A favorite tactic of the west... and really with good reason... i mean it's a cheap and cowardly way to fight a war. But effective.

| PDF said: im going to go but i think we can atleast agree in a WW3 china would be a big player. |
Oh yeah. If they ever get their Navy and Airforce up to par they'll be a real deadly force.

| Kasz216 said:True... but that's about all they have. That and Destroyers which... are ok but not great alone.
I mean, maybe they could slip through with a ballistic sub or two and nuke the British isles. But i think it'd be against them. Admittidly though with the way the royal navy is going... it may actually turn out that "swarm" tactics could win the day after a while, since the British i believe are cutting down their navy. |
From the evidence I have seen, their ship number is expected to decrease, but their total tonnage is expected to increase. I believe they are replacing their smaller carriers with large carriers. They are still a capable navy, however, and I would rank them slightly ahead of the Russians and French.
Jackson50 said:
From the evidence I have seen, their ship number is expected to deacrease, but their total tonnage is expected to increase. I believe they are replacing their smaller carriers with larger carriers. They are still a capable navy, however, and I would rank them slightly ahead of the Russians and French.
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The problem though with small ship numbers is that it makes you vulnerable to "suicide" attacks and mosquito attacks and the like, no?
I'm not really up to how far behind Chinese naval technology is behind british technology outside of the lack of some of the more essential modern ships.
i know they have more... but they're obviously a lot less effective.
It may not be a problem for the British vs china but i can see how it might be exploited by others.

Kasz216 said:
The problem though with small ship numbers is that it makes you vulnerable to "suicide" attacks and mosquito attacks and the like, no? I'm not really up to how far behind Chinese naval technology is behind british technology outside of the lack of some of the more essential modern ships. i know they have more... but they're obviously a lot less effective. It may not be a problem for the British vs china but i can see how it might be exploited by others. |
Technology and training really plays a huge part. Like you said, it depends on the enemy. I can't see anyone who would be against the British having the technology to do any real damage.
To give you an example, if the US went to war with Israel, our F15's could probably take out there entire fleet of F15's without a single loss. All due to the difference in technology in the planes we export, and the ones we don't.
| Kasz216 said: It's likely China as a government will try and cap growth should it seem that such people are growing to discontent with the government... because that's what authortarian governments do. Any economist who says that "Definitly by 2050 China will pass the US" is an idiot, and just about anyone would call that person an idiot to their face because your basically saying that you expect nothing major to change in 50 years. I mean... there are and have been plenty of things that RAPIDLY change how things happen. |
Great logic, thats why authoritarion governments have been so unsuccessful, their economies are going great but they decide to stop that because the last thing anyone wants is a super power economy.
The Economist asks, "By 2026, will China—assuming it stays in one piece—be the world’s biggest economy?" Thats a very early estimtate, and more of a headline grabber, but economists who are much smarter than Kasz ever dreamed about being peg China's GDP passing the United States at around 2050, taking into account those 'you have to be an idiot to miss ideas' such as GDP growth slowing overtime for China, political turmoil, China's population, as well as many other factors.
http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=5134720&d=2006
"Plenty of things rapidly change the happening of things?" I'm buying it, but during let me remind you that China's GDP growth stayed around 10 percent from 1976 to today, that includes the fall of the Soviet Union and the complete overhaul of China's economy.
| Kasz216 said:The problem though with small ship numbers is that it makes you vulnerable to "suicide" attacks and mosquito attacks and the like, no?
I'm not really up to how far behind Chinese naval technology is behind british technology outside of the lack of some of the more essential modern ships. i know they have more... but they're obviously a lot less effective. It may not be a problem for the British vs china but i can see how it might be exploited by others. |
Yes, that is a potential problem. I imagine everyone remembers the terrorist attack on the USS Cole. Well, that was impressive. The Cole is an Arleigh-Burke Destroyer-4th largest class of ships in the Navy besides the carriers, amphibious assault ships, and destroyers. That such a small force could damage should a large ship supports your notion.