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Can everybody be rich Mafoo? If hypothetically everybody in america woke up tomorrow and put forth the same amazing heroic effort you did, could everyone in America be making 80k or more a year?

No, that wouldn't make any sense. Who would be at cash register, or pumping gas, or washing your windows, or building your houses, changing your oil, who would be working for all these educated talented hardworking wealthy people?

By definition capitalism relies on poor people to create rich people. And then theoretically the rich improve the quality of life for the poor. Except when of course the rich say screw the poor, I deserve this more than them. And then it's viva la revolucion!! Happens in every society eventually.



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Mafoo obviously slept through captialism vs. socialism 101.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

You guys are talking about how things are in books, I am talking about real life. Communism never works, because people are corrupt. In every practice of communism, the masses live a poor quality of life, while the people in government live lived that the wealthiest in America could never fathom.

As for everyone waking up and being rich. No, but again, your talking hypothetical, I am talking reality. Anyone tomorrow can wake up, and start there lives towards 80K a year.

If everyone did it, we would have a different issue. This is reality. Everyone won't do it. I don't care all that much about the ones that don't try.



TheRealMafoo said:
You guys are talking about how things are in books, I am talking about real life. Communism never works, because people are corrupt. In every practice of communism, the masses live a poor quality of life, while the people in government live lived that the wealthiest in America could never fathom.

As for everyone waking up and being rich. No, but again, your talking hypothetical, I am talking reality. Anyone tomorrow can wake up, and start there lives towards 80K a year.

If everyone did it, we would have a different issue. This is reality. Everyone won't do it. I don't care all that much about the ones that don't try.

Neither pure capitalism or pure socialism work in practice.  You need a mix of both.

 



whatever said:
TheRealMafoo said:
You guys are talking about how things are in books, I am talking about real life. Communism never works, because people are corrupt. In every practice of communism, the masses live a poor quality of life, while the people in government live lived that the wealthiest in America could never fathom.

As for everyone waking up and being rich. No, but again, your talking hypothetical, I am talking reality. Anyone tomorrow can wake up, and start there lives towards 80K a year.

If everyone did it, we would have a different issue. This is reality. Everyone won't do it. I don't care all that much about the ones that don't try.

Neither pure capitalism or pure socialism work in practice.  You need a mix of both.

 

 

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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TheRealMafoo said:
steven787 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

It's not about the money, it's about there liberties. Basically, you feel they don't need all that money, so it's OK to take it from them.

That should be illegal in this country.

Taxing the rich more to pay a larger percentage of the bills is ok, taxing then just because people think the poor should get some of it, isn't.

See that bolded part.  Ok...

Responding to your post:  Graduated taxes are not there because they can pay more.  Graduated taxes are there because wealthy people gain more from a stable government.  If you're poor, you'll be poor no matter what (even if the gov't pays for your healthcare or cuts a welfare check).  If you're rich then you have more to gain by keeping the gov't afloat and the masses pacified.

I really do not see what is so complicated.

 

Why do we care so much about the poor again?

We live in a country where anyone can go to school, get a job, and be successful. Some people took that road (and trust me, it's a lot harder then not), and we don't seem to give a shit about them. Others decided College was just to much work (and don't go with the "cant afford it" bullshit. In some states you can live off of grant money from going to school).

Why again are we so worried about how those that don't take care of themselves live, and so little about the ones that did all the right things in there lives?

I want someone on this site who is poor and lives in the US, to explain to me why they had no other option to improve there income.

I get tired of worrying about those that did not worry about themselves. You want more money, go fucking earn it like the rest of us.

What about the mentally retarded? Is it ok for the government to redistribute some wealth to support programs for them or should they just go fuck themselves?

 



Paul said:
TheRealMafoo said:
steven787 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

It's not about the money, it's about there liberties. Basically, you feel they don't need all that money, so it's OK to take it from them.

That should be illegal in this country.

Taxing the rich more to pay a larger percentage of the bills is ok, taxing then just because people think the poor should get some of it, isn't.

See that bolded part.  Ok...

Responding to your post:  Graduated taxes are not there because they can pay more.  Graduated taxes are there because wealthy people gain more from a stable government.  If you're poor, you'll be poor no matter what (even if the gov't pays for your healthcare or cuts a welfare check).  If you're rich then you have more to gain by keeping the gov't afloat and the masses pacified.

I really do not see what is so complicated.

 

Why do we care so much about the poor again?

We live in a country where anyone can go to school, get a job, and be successful. Some people took that road (and trust me, it's a lot harder then not), and we don't seem to give a shit about them. Others decided College was just to much work (and don't go with the "cant afford it" bullshit. In some states you can live off of grant money from going to school).

Why again are we so worried about how those that don't take care of themselves live, and so little about the ones that did all the right things in there lives?

I want someone on this site who is poor and lives in the US, to explain to me why they had no other option to improve there income.

I get tired of worrying about those that did not worry about themselves. You want more money, go fucking earn it like the rest of us.

What about the mentally retarded? Is it ok for the government to redistribute some wealth to support programs for them or should they just go fuck themselves?

 

 

As much as I agree with your sentiment, this argument is tired.  It's just as bad as Republicans calling Democrats socialists... Besides, we all know what the far right would do to "unfit" eaters.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

steven787 said:
Paul said:
TheRealMafoo said:
steven787 said:
TheRealMafoo said:

It's not about the money, it's about there liberties. Basically, you feel they don't need all that money, so it's OK to take it from them.

That should be illegal in this country.

Taxing the rich more to pay a larger percentage of the bills is ok, taxing then just because people think the poor should get some of it, isn't.

See that bolded part.  Ok...

Responding to your post:  Graduated taxes are not there because they can pay more.  Graduated taxes are there because wealthy people gain more from a stable government.  If you're poor, you'll be poor no matter what (even if the gov't pays for your healthcare or cuts a welfare check).  If you're rich then you have more to gain by keeping the gov't afloat and the masses pacified.

I really do not see what is so complicated.

 

Why do we care so much about the poor again?

We live in a country where anyone can go to school, get a job, and be successful. Some people took that road (and trust me, it's a lot harder then not), and we don't seem to give a shit about them. Others decided College was just to much work (and don't go with the "cant afford it" bullshit. In some states you can live off of grant money from going to school).

Why again are we so worried about how those that don't take care of themselves live, and so little about the ones that did all the right things in there lives?

I want someone on this site who is poor and lives in the US, to explain to me why they had no other option to improve there income.

I get tired of worrying about those that did not worry about themselves. You want more money, go fucking earn it like the rest of us.

What about the mentally retarded? Is it ok for the government to redistribute some wealth to support programs for them or should they just go fuck themselves?

 

 

As much as I agree with your sentiment, this argument is tired.  It's just as bad as Republicans calling Democrats socialists... Besides, we all know what the far right would do to "unfit" eaters.

I just find it funny that he seems to live in a black and white world where poor people are poor because they are lazy and rich people are rich because they worked for it. It seems like a lot of people find it easier to divide people into groups that fit their view rather than actually trying to understand them.

 

 



@ Paul: not to mention he acts like we are advocating giving a handout to every poor person in sight, which I don't think any of us are.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Rich people are all pure-hearted paladins of truth and justice. Nobody ever got rich by doing something illegal or immoral.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.