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I find it hard to love either Microsoft OR Apples strategies when it comes to PC software and OS's ...

Microsoft use horrible monopolistic tactics to shut out rivals wherever and whenever possible...

and Apple are so propriatary-based it's not even funny

... both are DRM-aholics ... punishing legit consumers ... so there really isn't a whole lot to admire in either.


I for one hope viable open-source alteratives really start to take off in the coming years - so we can all cut loose of these powermongers.

^ It would be better for us all really.



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Pika-Boo! said:
I find it hard to love either Microsoft OR Apples strategies when it comes to PC software and OS's ...

Microsoft use horrible monopolistic tactics to shut out rivals wherever and whenever possible...

and Apple are so propriatary-based it's not even funny

... both are DRM-aholics ... punishing legit consumers ... so there really isn't a whole lot to admire in either.


I for one hope viable open-source alteratives really start to take off in the coming years - so we can all cut loose of these powermongers.

^ It would be better for us all really.

 

Yea, it's called Linux: Ubuntu in particular.




 

Senlis said:
@ Domicinator & Plaupuis

Plaupuis is right, anyone can develop software for Mac. I at least know that Macintosh runs java, and even I can make a program that will run in java.

Domicinator is right in the aspect that Mac OSX is not impervious to viruses. I once again note that Mac OSX runs java, which always has security holes they are patching. However, Mac OSX is more secure 1) because it does not use extensions to tell the operating system how to run programs and 2) because of the lower user base, virus makers don't bother half the time. There are probably other reasons, but I don't know them.

As to Vista being a good OS, go do a little research. theinquirer.org recently published an article about Windows Vista being like Windows ME. I don't know if Vista is that bad, but the fact that people are comparing it to ME is not a good sign. Microsoft themselves admit that Vista wasn't up to par. The keep pushing back the deadline for "no more XP" and keep pushing forward the deadline for Windows 7 (which is basically a reworked Vista)

Look at my occupation under my profile.

Not only Java, every copy of OS X ships with the full SDK, for free. Signing up for the Apple Developer Connection is free. Apple provides all OS X core technologies for you to use, for free. What does Microsoft have to offer for me that could compete with Apple's offering? The downside of OS X development is that it's done in Objective-C, and it's not used much outside of OS X. Not that it would be hard to pick up, on the contrary, but it's a hurdle nonetheless.

Unfortunately, no system is impervious to viruses and/or malware. There are always ways to get through even the most secure systems, most often through the weakest link: the user. All Unix-based systems have safeguards against stupid users in the form of root vs. normal users and different access rights. Vista made the right move and adopted a similar approach, enforcing the proper use of administrator privileges. It's just too bad for Microsoft that the reputation of Windows is so tarnished because of the earlier versions and their open-doors-for-malware. I know I might get a virus on my Mac, though to be honest, the chances are pretty slim. I have a HW firewall, in addition to the OS X SW firewall, and I use Opera. That combination pretty much guarantees my safety, along with my own experience: don't trust people you don't know, don't open attachments you're not expecting, don't click links received in spam etc. Basic stuff, but it keeps me safe 99.99% of the time, and for the rest is the HW/SW combination. I even have a freeware virus scanner, but TBH I don't regularily check my system. I've never had a virus run rampant in my computer, and I intend to keep it that way.



Plaupius said:
Senlis said:
@ Domicinator & Plaupuis

Plaupuis is right, anyone can develop software for Mac. I at least know that Macintosh runs java, and even I can make a program that will run in java.

Domicinator is right in the aspect that Mac OSX is not impervious to viruses. I once again note that Mac OSX runs java, which always has security holes they are patching. However, Mac OSX is more secure 1) because it does not use extensions to tell the operating system how to run programs and 2) because of the lower user base, virus makers don't bother half the time. There are probably other reasons, but I don't know them.

As to Vista being a good OS, go do a little research. theinquirer.org recently published an article about Windows Vista being like Windows ME. I don't know if Vista is that bad, but the fact that people are comparing it to ME is not a good sign. Microsoft themselves admit that Vista wasn't up to par. The keep pushing back the deadline for "no more XP" and keep pushing forward the deadline for Windows 7 (which is basically a reworked Vista)

Look at my occupation under my profile.

Not only Java, every copy of OS X ships with the full SDK, for free. Signing up for the Apple Developer Connection is free. Apple provides all OS X core technologies for you to use, for free. What does Microsoft have to offer for me that could compete with Apple's offering? The downside of OS X development is that it's done in Objective-C, and it's not used much outside of OS X. Not that it would be hard to pick up, on the contrary, but it's a hurdle nonetheless.

Unfortunately, no system is impervious to viruses and/or malware. There are always ways to get through even the most secure systems, most often through the weakest link: the user. All Unix-based systems have safeguards against stupid users in the form of root vs. normal users and different access rights. Vista made the right move and adopted a similar approach, enforcing the proper use of administrator privileges. It's just too bad for Microsoft that the reputation of Windows is so tarnished because of the earlier versions and their open-doors-for-malware. I know I might get a virus on my Mac, though to be honest, the chances are pretty slim. I have a HW firewall, in addition to the OS X SW firewall, and I use Opera. That combination pretty much guarantees my safety, along with my own experience: don't trust people you don't know, don't open attachments you're not expecting, don't click links received in spam etc. Basic stuff, but it keeps me safe 99.99% of the time, and for the rest is the HW/SW combination. I even have a freeware virus scanner, but TBH I don't regularily check my system. I've never had a virus run rampant in my computer, and I intend to keep it that way.

The Inquirer is not a good source of information.  Them saying Vista is like ME in my opinion is just like Joe Schmoe on a web forum saying it.  ME was unstable.  Most people around here seem to think that unstable means something has incompatibilities.  Unstable means an OS crashes a lot and throws up a lot of error messages.  ME did that for pretty much its entire lifespan.

Vista, on the other hand, is almost built NOT to crash.  If a driver has a conflict or stops working, 99% of the time Vista can actually just stop and restart the driver without a full system reboot or BSoD.  In fact, I've never had a BSoD in Vista once!  I can count on one hand how many times Vista has locked up on my on both my Vista machines combined.  The same could definitely not be said for XP.  That's not to say that XP was bad.  I love XP.  But it's not as stable as Vista by a long shot.

If the Inquirer is talking about drivers, I wonder how old their information is and I wonder how much of this is being blamed on MS.  Nvidia, ATi, HP, etc. had plenty of time to get launch Vista drivers ready to go and fully operational.  They dropped the ball and it took them about 2 months to get caught up.  After about 2 months of bad ForceWare drivers, my gaming performance in Vista, at least to my naked eye, was similar if not close to identical to what I was getting in XP.  Granted, I had just built myself a quad core machine with 2 gigs of RAM and an 8800GTS, so that's plenty of power to do what I need to do on Vista. 

This is, of course, all anecdotal and only unique to me.  But on my Pentium Dual Core (budget line dual core) laptop with 1 GB of RAM and a run of the mill stock Intel video card, I'm having the same experience with Vista.  It boots up slower than my gaming tower and definitely can't run the high end games, but Vista-wise, it runs just fine with Aero Glass turned on and everything.

I consider my own experiences a lot more reliable than the Inquirer.  They have been considered kind of a joke for quite some time now.  Their outlandish predictions and "news" about video cards alone has made them kind of a pariah in some circles.  So I'll go ahead and trust my own experiences. 

BTW, my own experiences include my wife's G4 Macbook that crashes about every 5 minutes.

 




Domicinator said:
Plaupius said:
Senlis said:
@ Domicinator & Plaupuis

Plaupuis is right, anyone can develop software for Mac. I at least know that Macintosh runs java, and even I can make a program that will run in java.

Domicinator is right in the aspect that Mac OSX is not impervious to viruses. I once again note that Mac OSX runs java, which always has security holes they are patching. However, Mac OSX is more secure 1) because it does not use extensions to tell the operating system how to run programs and 2) because of the lower user base, virus makers don't bother half the time. There are probably other reasons, but I don't know them.

As to Vista being a good OS, go do a little research. theinquirer.org recently published an article about Windows Vista being like Windows ME. I don't know if Vista is that bad, but the fact that people are comparing it to ME is not a good sign. Microsoft themselves admit that Vista wasn't up to par. The keep pushing back the deadline for "no more XP" and keep pushing forward the deadline for Windows 7 (which is basically a reworked Vista)

Look at my occupation under my profile.

Not only Java, every copy of OS X ships with the full SDK, for free. Signing up for the Apple Developer Connection is free. Apple provides all OS X core technologies for you to use, for free. What does Microsoft have to offer for me that could compete with Apple's offering? The downside of OS X development is that it's done in Objective-C, and it's not used much outside of OS X. Not that it would be hard to pick up, on the contrary, but it's a hurdle nonetheless.

Unfortunately, no system is impervious to viruses and/or malware. There are always ways to get through even the most secure systems, most often through the weakest link: the user. All Unix-based systems have safeguards against stupid users in the form of root vs. normal users and different access rights. Vista made the right move and adopted a similar approach, enforcing the proper use of administrator privileges. It's just too bad for Microsoft that the reputation of Windows is so tarnished because of the earlier versions and their open-doors-for-malware. I know I might get a virus on my Mac, though to be honest, the chances are pretty slim. I have a HW firewall, in addition to the OS X SW firewall, and I use Opera. That combination pretty much guarantees my safety, along with my own experience: don't trust people you don't know, don't open attachments you're not expecting, don't click links received in spam etc. Basic stuff, but it keeps me safe 99.99% of the time, and for the rest is the HW/SW combination. I even have a freeware virus scanner, but TBH I don't regularily check my system. I've never had a virus run rampant in my computer, and I intend to keep it that way.

The Inquirer is not a good source of information.  Them saying Vista is like ME in my opinion is just like Joe Schmoe on a web forum saying it.  ME was unstable.  Most people around here seem to think that unstable means something has incompatibilities.  Unstable means an OS crashes a lot and throws up a lot of error messages.  ME did that for pretty much its entire lifespan.

Vista, on the other hand, is almost built NOT to crash.  If a driver has a conflict or stops working, 99% of the time Vista can actually just stop and restart the driver without a full system reboot or BSoD.  In fact, I've never had a BSoD in Vista once!  I can count on one hand how many times Vista has locked up on my on both my Vista machines combined.  The same could definitely not be said for XP.  That's not to say that XP was bad.  I love XP.  But it's not as stable as Vista by a long shot.

If the Inquirer is talking about drivers, I wonder how old their information is and I wonder how much of this is being blamed on MS.  Nvidia, ATi, HP, etc. had plenty of time to get launch Vista drivers ready to go and fully operational.  They dropped the ball and it took them about 2 months to get caught up.  After about 2 months of bad ForceWare drivers, my gaming performance in Vista, at least to my naked eye, was similar if not close to identical to what I was getting in XP.  Granted, I had just built myself a quad core machine with 2 gigs of RAM and an 8800GTS, so that's plenty of power to do what I need to do on Vista.

This is, of course, all anecdotal and only unique to me.  But on my Pentium Dual Core (budget line dual core) laptop with 1 GB of RAM and a run of the mill stock Intel video card, I'm having the same experience with Vista.  It boots up slower than my gaming tower and definitely can't run the high end games, but Vista-wise, it runs just fine with Aero Glass turned on and everything.

I consider my own experiences a lot more reliable than the Inquirer.  They have been considered kind of a joke for quite some time now.  Their outlandish predictions and "news" about video cards alone has made them kind of a pariah in some circles.  So I'll go ahead and trust my own experiences.

BTW, my own experiences include my wife's G4 Macbook that crashes about every 5 minutes.

 

Nice way of ignoring the questions regarding your earlier claims... But at least it's good that you know your experience != the experience of others'. I'd bet the majority of people aren't as happy as you with their Vista running on a dual core / 1GB laptop with an Intel video card (integrated, by the way?), but that's just my assumption.

If your wife's G4 Mac crashes every 5 minutes, which I highly doubt, then it probably has some faulty HW. By default, OS X is rock solid. In the 2 and half years I've had my rev A MacBook Pro, I've had it crash on me less than 5 times.



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i know it is completely off topic but everyone else is doing it

i use windows xp, don't love it.. but i just find it so much simpler to find functionality than linux and mac.. seriously, everytime i tried to fix settings on my cousins mac it took me 30 mins to figure out where to go.. and that was with the help of google



tabsina said:
i know it is completely off topic but everyone else is doing it

i use windows xp, don't love it.. but i just find it so much simpler to find functionality than linux and mac.. seriously, everytime i tried to fix settings on my cousins mac it took me 30 mins to figure out where to go.. and that was with the help of google

I guess it's up to personal preferences, but I find it much easier to find settings in OS X than what it was in Windows back in the day. System settings are in System Preferences, and you can even search them with the Spotlight if you're not sure where to go. Of course, Control Panel is somewhat similar to System Preferences, or at least it was. I think it's been changed but I don't have any experience of the new system so I can't comment on that. In OS X, all well-behaving software have their settings in the application menu or, as I prefer, you can access the settings via Command+',' shortcut. In Windows world, different applications have their settings in different places, mostly under Tools-menu, but I've seen a fair share of apps that do things differently. It's not a fault of Microsoft per se, but they could be more stringent in enforcing proper UI guidelines.



Domicinator said:

The Inquirer is not a good source of information.  Them saying Vista is like ME in my opinion is just like Joe Schmoe on a web forum saying it.  ME was unstable.  Most people around here seem to think that unstable means something has incompatibilities.  Unstable means an OS crashes a lot and throws up a lot of error messages.  ME did that for pretty much its entire lifespan.

Vista, on the other hand, is almost built NOT to crash.  If a driver has a conflict or stops working, 99% of the time Vista can actually just stop and restart the driver without a full system reboot or BSoD.  In fact, I've never had a BSoD in Vista once!  I can count on one hand how many times Vista has locked up on my on both my Vista machines combined.  The same could definitely not be said for XP.  That's not to say that XP was bad.  I love XP.  But it's not as stable as Vista by a long shot.

If the Inquirer is talking about drivers, I wonder how old their information is and I wonder how much of this is being blamed on MS.  Nvidia, ATi, HP, etc. had plenty of time to get launch Vista drivers ready to go and fully operational.  They dropped the ball and it took them about 2 months to get caught up.  After about 2 months of bad ForceWare drivers, my gaming performance in Vista, at least to my naked eye, was similar if not close to identical to what I was getting in XP.  Granted, I had just built myself a quad core machine with 2 gigs of RAM and an 8800GTS, so that's plenty of power to do what I need to do on Vista. 

This is, of course, all anecdotal and only unique to me.  But on my Pentium Dual Core (budget line dual core) laptop with 1 GB of RAM and a run of the mill stock Intel video card, I'm having the same experience with Vista.  It boots up slower than my gaming tower and definitely can't run the high end games, but Vista-wise, it runs just fine with Aero Glass turned on and everything.

I consider my own experiences a lot more reliable than the Inquirer.  They have been considered kind of a joke for quite some time now.  Their outlandish predictions and "news" about video cards alone has made them kind of a pariah in some circles.  So I'll go ahead and trust my own experiences. 

BTW, my own experiences include my wife's G4 Macbook that crashes about every 5 minutes.

 

 

Hey you, do not dodge the questions. You laid out pretty bold accusations and you've been questioned on them - so I ask again, where is the proof Jobs can stop programs from running on mac computers please?

I also demand you expand your comments about Vista being more open than Mac OS X... open-source kernel, openGL vs DirectX, WebKit...

You either admit you were tossing up lies just to feed your emo rage against Apple or get out of this thread.

And as far as anecdotal evidence goes, the whole internet is chock full of them against Vista so don't pull out "uh my wife g4 crashes a lot" crap please. I just need to google "vista sucks" to get thousands of pages worth of casual evidence. While talking about this issue, your wife's problem are either faulty hardware or he messed with things she shouldn't have messed with. Mac OS X is rock solid but is not uncareful-user-proof. Not even the best designed software will protect someone from sudo rm -rf /





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kowenicki said:

I have had windows phones for years. Now got a HTC Diamond with Windows 6.1 (much better than 5 or 6).. awesome.



The Iphone is the biggest con in the history of hardware, style over substance or what!? The new one is a tad better but still....

 

woawoawoa wait a second.... iPhone only ???? let me add something to the list.... you can add iTune.... iPod..... and iMac.... iSight and so on so forth..... come on there isn't a single sustainable argument that justify the price of any apple hardware... not a single one... beside design and still there IMHO it's still over priced.... and don't throw at me MACOS X first it's the OS that doesn't justify the price of the hardware... I can run a distro of linux on a PC that equal or outrun the qualities of OS X... then more stable... yeah well I crash about as often macs than PCs.... and to finish.... when people tell me more secure my ass.... OS X at the last bench mark took less time to be over taken than vista.... so even there the myth is not true... apple is a Fing scam pricewise FULL STOP.... now when they'll have a mac book pro air at less than $1500 we'll talk



endimion said:

woawoawoa wait a second.... iPhone only ???? let me add something to the list.... you can add iTune.... iPod..... and iMac.... iSight and so on so forth..... come on there isn't a single sustainable argument that justify the price of any apple hardware... not a single one... beside design and still there IMHO it's still over priced.... and don't throw at me MACOS X first it's the OS that doesn't justify the price of the hardware... I can run a distro of linux on a PC that equal or outrun the qualities of OS X... then more stable... yeah well I crash about as often macs than PCs.... and to finish.... when people tell me more secure my ass.... OS X at the last bench mark took less time to be over taken than vista.... so even there the myth is not true... apple is a Fing scam pricewise FULL STOP.... now when they'll have a mac book pro air at less than $1500 we'll talk

 

Mac OS X is awesome. In fact it's so awesome the guy who won that hacking competition uses macs for everything.

Interview link: http://securitywatch.eweek.com/apple/mac_hacked_via_safari_browser_in_pwn2own_contest.html

He went on record saying he'd use the money prize to buy a Mac Pro =D





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