By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - General Discussion - Tax discussion thread (U.S. focused)

Kasz216 on 19 October 2008
Final-Fan said:
So you deny that you disagree?

Money DOES have different value to different people. Generally it is more important to those who have less.

I'm not completely sure I understand you when you say "basically everything the rich person has that is above what the poorer person has isn't as important combined as what the poorer person has". All I'm trying to say is that equal ratios of monetary increase/decrease are more precious/hard to those with less. I thought that trying to use examples would help but maybe it's just bogging us down.

In amount yes.  1 dollar is worth more ot someone who has less then a dollar.

I'm saying that i believe the value is largely set by how much you make.

In otherwords.  10% of what a poor person makes is roughly equal to 10% of what a rich person makes in value to those individuals.



Around the Network
Final-Fan on 19 October 2008

I disagree, in terms of useful material gain as opposed to emotional importance.  And the value also varies by how much one has.  



Tag (courtesy of fkusumot): "Please feel free -- nay, I encourage you -- to offer rebuttal."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Sen. Pat Moynihan
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The old smileys: ; - ) : - ) : - ( : - P : - D : - # ( c ) ( k ) ( y ) If anyone knows the shortcut for , let me know!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I have the most epic death scene ever in VGChartz Mafia.  Thanks WordsofWisdom! 

Kasz216 on 19 October 2008
Final-Fan said:

I disagree, in terms of useful material gain as opposed to emotional importance.  And the value also varies by how much one has.  

But money is how we value useful matieral gain.  It's why money exists... more or less.  It itself... is what estalishes the value of objects matierally.

 



Final-Fan on 20 October 2008

material gain =/= useful material gain. How else is the Pet Rock explained?



Tag (courtesy of fkusumot): "Please feel free -- nay, I encourage you -- to offer rebuttal."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Sen. Pat Moynihan
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The old smileys: ; - ) : - ) : - ( : - P : - D : - # ( c ) ( k ) ( y ) If anyone knows the shortcut for , let me know!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I have the most epic death scene ever in VGChartz Mafia.  Thanks WordsofWisdom! 

Kasz216 on 20 October 2008
Final-Fan said:
material gain =/= useful material gain. How else is the Pet Rock explained?

How is useful material gain anything but an opinion?

 



Around the Network
Final-Fan on 20 October 2008

So is price, until a thing is bought. That's what happened to the Dow right?



Tag (courtesy of fkusumot): "Please feel free -- nay, I encourage you -- to offer rebuttal."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Sen. Pat Moynihan
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The old smileys: ; - ) : - ) : - ( : - P : - D : - # ( c ) ( k ) ( y ) If anyone knows the shortcut for , let me know!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I have the most epic death scene ever in VGChartz Mafia.  Thanks WordsofWisdom! 

ManusJustus on 20 October 2008
bigjon said:

Obama does not like the people of the middle class at all, he just knows he needs their votes to win. Just look at the way he treats "heartland" americans. Attacking Joe the plumber, degrading Sarah Palin, saying the PA folks just cling to their Gun and God... I think those instances were him let some of how he really feels about them seep through.

So Obama doesn't like the middle class but he wants to help them, and by the same logic McCain likes the middle class but doesnt want to help them.

Claiming that Obama attacked Joe the Plumber is ridiculous.  John McCain and Republicans put Joe the Plumber in the spotlight, and as the media descended on Joe they also uncovered that the was lying about his income, an illegal/unlicensed plumber, and owes taxes.  Of course, it was neither McCain or Obama's fault, its the media fault in the way they sesationalize everything, from Joe the Plumber to Brittney Spears.

No one has to degrade Sarah Palin, she does that all by herself.  For the first time, comedians can simply let actors re-enact Palin word for word, because that is funny all by itself.



Kasz216 on 20 October 2008
Final-Fan said:
So is price, until a thing is bought. That's what happened to the Dow right?

However Price can be measured. (through dollars).

And is constant.

Useful matieral gain can not... and varies in opinion from person to person.

 



Final-Fan on 20 October 2008

But price ISN'T constant, that was my point.  But never mind, I think the following allows me to bypass this argument completely.  

You even say that you think the "worth" of money to a person decreases in an inverse ratio to how much they have/make. Why, then, can't the inverse ratio also scale?



Tag (courtesy of fkusumot): "Please feel free -- nay, I encourage you -- to offer rebuttal."
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
My advice to fanboys: Brag about stuff that's true, not about stuff that's false. Predict stuff that's likely, not stuff that's unlikely. You will be happier, and we will be happier.

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." - Sen. Pat Moynihan
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
The old smileys: ; - ) : - ) : - ( : - P : - D : - # ( c ) ( k ) ( y ) If anyone knows the shortcut for , let me know!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
I have the most epic death scene ever in VGChartz Mafia.  Thanks WordsofWisdom! 

Kasz216 on 21 October 2008
Final-Fan said:

But price ISN'T constant, that was my point.  But never mind, I think the following allows me to bypass this argument completely.  

You even say that you think the "worth" of money to a person decreases in an inverse ratio to how much they have/make. Why, then, can't the inverse ratio also scale?

Because the "worth" is judging something.

It's like on a psychological scale when you measure the level of pain.  You can do so via brainwaves and through a scale of 1-10.

The thing your argueing i'm not even sure exists... and is caught between to strange positions trying to combine overall value and expectations.

It seems what your really trying to measure is how good people are at purchasing things that make them happy.

How much money increases quality of living... which would seem a ratio based on how much you value said money.

It's not Standard of Living since... most factors of standard of living would be covered by universal access to healthcare and food... and the items used to "judge" standard of living everyone in the US already has.

It's stuff like refridgerators that keep food cold and such... this is stuff everyone can already afford.  What out there is so vast and important... and something that not everybody can afford?

Even college educations... while pricey in the middle... are cheap enough in the lower level colleges where either saving or going at a slower pace can cover it.

The only thing "splitting it apart" in Standard of Living is pay is inequality.  Which could really only be completly erased by becoming completly socialist. 

The only way to get a perfect score on Standard of Living is to have total socialism.  (Basically communism but with a government.)