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makingmusic476 said:
NNN2004 said:
Sardauk said:
KBG29 said:
First of all I know you wanted to brush over the lack of exclusives deal, but I want to address that right now. PS3 has got exclusives. In fact it has more exclusives than the Xbox 360. People just seem to look the other way anytime a PS3 game is not on other platforms. Last week at TGS we saw 3 big exclusives from Japanese devs, and people act like PS3 had a crap show. I call White Knight Conicals, Demon Soul, and Quantum Theory a big great showing, that should have been an upturn for PS3 confedence. Instead people pretended this never happened, or just passed these games off as jokes.

As far as the TV thing goes, that is a crap deal. The good thing is 1080p TV's are selling for under a thousand bucks, as long as you stay under 46in. It is really worth it to upgrade to the new standard. Blu-ray movies will not let you regret spending the money.

About exclusivities, it is a fanboys myth to me: Games for the Ps3 take more time to develop so that exclusivities list keeps pilling up. WHile the 360 players are already enjoying blockbusters for years, you guys are still waiting for Killzone 2 and a God of War that exists only on paper. Also, Ps3 owners seems to always forget that Pc games only ported to the 360 are also exclusivities.

You are right about blue-ray but again, this is sony marketing. We are talking about games here no movies.

 

Anyway ...

thats what i tell before ... if Killzone 2 & GT take that much time to develop imagen how much time GOD III will take to arrive ..... maybe its will be available in 2012 .. also most of the games that i have run at 720p & 30fps and i read in a PC hardware site before that the CPU that can reach higher fps is the more powerful so sony didnt give us whats its promise ... and notice that all the games that sony show it at E3 2005 is CG movies to trick people and make them believe that the ps3 able to do this.... so where is the CG quality games that sony promise us ?  

 

Gran Turismo was released months ago, in the form of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, with more content than many "full" racers.

Full Gran Turismo games always take years to develop, because of the hundreds of cars they include. 

As for God of War III, Sony Santa Monica are some of Sony's best and most efficient coders, and they wrok closely with Naughty Dog (who is technically under teh Santa Monica wing of Sony's studios). Naughty Dog already released a game a year ago, and their engine (as well as the work done by many other studios), will go into the engine used by SMS for God of War III.  Given all this, GoWIII should be out by the end of 2009.

Other than that, the only game left from 2005 that hasn't been either released or canceled is Killzone 2, and it's looking very similar to it's CG trailer.  As a beta tester, I can say it plays great as well.

yah but its still not the full game and thats why i didnt get it .. also microsoft will release FORZA 3 in 2009 thats mean a 2 FORZA  game in the same time that sony take to release a 1 GT game.

  three companies work in Killzone 2 ( one of them sony )and its still not coming so dont expect GOD III  to arrive soon.

 



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NNN2004 said:
makingmusic476 said:
NNN2004 said:
Sardauk said:
KBG29 said:
First of all I know you wanted to brush over the lack of exclusives deal, but I want to address that right now. PS3 has got exclusives. In fact it has more exclusives than the Xbox 360. People just seem to look the other way anytime a PS3 game is not on other platforms. Last week at TGS we saw 3 big exclusives from Japanese devs, and people act like PS3 had a crap show. I call White Knight Conicals, Demon Soul, and Quantum Theory a big great showing, that should have been an upturn for PS3 confedence. Instead people pretended this never happened, or just passed these games off as jokes.

As far as the TV thing goes, that is a crap deal. The good thing is 1080p TV's are selling for under a thousand bucks, as long as you stay under 46in. It is really worth it to upgrade to the new standard. Blu-ray movies will not let you regret spending the money.

About exclusivities, it is a fanboys myth to me: Games for the Ps3 take more time to develop so that exclusivities list keeps pilling up. WHile the 360 players are already enjoying blockbusters for years, you guys are still waiting for Killzone 2 and a God of War that exists only on paper. Also, Ps3 owners seems to always forget that Pc games only ported to the 360 are also exclusivities.

You are right about blue-ray but again, this is sony marketing. We are talking about games here no movies.

 

Anyway ...

thats what i tell before ... if Killzone 2 & GT take that much time to develop imagen how much time GOD III will take to arrive ..... maybe its will be available in 2012 .. also most of the games that i have run at 720p & 30fps and i read in a PC hardware site before that the CPU that can reach higher fps is the more powerful so sony didnt give us whats its promise ... and notice that all the games that sony show it at E3 2005 is CG movies to trick people and make them believe that the ps3 able to do this.... so where is the CG quality games that sony promise us ?  

 

Gran Turismo was released months ago, in the form of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, with more content than many "full" racers.

Full Gran Turismo games always take years to develop, because of the hundreds of cars they include. 

As for God of War III, Sony Santa Monica are some of Sony's best and most efficient coders, and they wrok closely with Naughty Dog (who is technically under teh Santa Monica wing of Sony's studios). Naughty Dog already released a game a year ago, and their engine (as well as the work done by many other studios), will go into the engine used by SMS for God of War III.  Given all this, GoWIII should be out by the end of 2009.

Other than that, the only game left from 2005 that hasn't been either released or canceled is Killzone 2, and it's looking very similar to it's CG trailer.  As a beta tester, I can say it plays great as well.

yah but its still not the full game and thats why i didnt get it .. also microsoft will release FORZA 3 in 2009 thats mean a 2 FORZA  game in the same time that sony take to release a 1 GT game.

  three companies work in Killzone 2 ( one of them sony )and its still not coming so dont expect GOD III  to arrive soon.

 

Forza 3 has hardly been confirmed for 2009.  Actually, the latest rumors said that Turn 10 is working on PGR5 instead of Forza 3. 

That's what happens when you let developers like Bizarre Creations (and BioWare, Ensemble, Fasa, etc.) slip away.  You have all these franchises with few people to work on them.

And what three companies are working on Killzone 2?  Sony bought Geurrilla, and Killzone 2 is Geurilla's baby.  They're getting some assitance from other internal Sony devleopers, but the majority of the work is being done by Geurrilla.  Not to mention, ALL of Sony's internal developers are getting help.  That's the way Sony works now.  All the studios help each other out.  In the credits of Uncharted, Naughty Dog thanked Insomniac, Incognito, Polyphony Digital, and...you guessed it, Geurrilla Games, among various other studios for their assistance in making the title.  They assist each other in improving engine tech, and it's why Sony's titles look far better than anything else on the console market (GT5P, R&CF, and Uncharted being the former standard bearers, with Killzone 2 coming in to take the helm).



makingmusic476 said:

Forza 3 has hardly been confirmed for 2009.  Actually, the latest rumors said that Turn 10 is working on PGR5 instead of Forza 3. 

That's what happens when you let developers like Bizarre Creations (and BioWare, Ensemble, Fasa, etc.) slip away.  You have all these franchises with few people to work on them.

And what three companies are working on Killzone 2?  Sony bought Geurrilla, and Killzone 2 is Geurilla's baby.  They're getting some assitance from other internal Sony devleopers, but the majority of the work is being done by Geurrilla.  Not to mention, ALL of Sony's internal developers are getting help.  That's the way Sony works now.  All the studios help each other out.  In the credits of Uncharted, Naughty Dog thanked Insomniac, Incognito, Polyphony Digital, and...you guessed it, Geurrilla Games, among various other studios for their assistance in making the title.  They assist each other in improving engine tech, and it's why Sony's titles look far better than anything else on the console market (GT5P, R&CF, and Uncharted being the former standard bearers, with Killzone 2 coming in to take the helm).

 

Blahblah ... this is a fanboyism war again... and not the point of this thread.

If you want to talk about that trash again, go start another thread...



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

makingmusic476 said:
NNN2004 said:
makingmusic476 said:
NNN2004 said:
Sardauk said:
KBG29 said:
First of all I know you wanted to brush over the lack of exclusives deal, but I want to address that right now. PS3 has got exclusives. In fact it has more exclusives than the Xbox 360. People just seem to look the other way anytime a PS3 game is not on other platforms. Last week at TGS we saw 3 big exclusives from Japanese devs, and people act like PS3 had a crap show. I call White Knight Conicals, Demon Soul, and Quantum Theory a big great showing, that should have been an upturn for PS3 confedence. Instead people pretended this never happened, or just passed these games off as jokes.

As far as the TV thing goes, that is a crap deal. The good thing is 1080p TV's are selling for under a thousand bucks, as long as you stay under 46in. It is really worth it to upgrade to the new standard. Blu-ray movies will not let you regret spending the money.

About exclusivities, it is a fanboys myth to me: Games for the Ps3 take more time to develop so that exclusivities list keeps pilling up. WHile the 360 players are already enjoying blockbusters for years, you guys are still waiting for Killzone 2 and a God of War that exists only on paper. Also, Ps3 owners seems to always forget that Pc games only ported to the 360 are also exclusivities.

You are right about blue-ray but again, this is sony marketing. We are talking about games here no movies.

 

Anyway ...

thats what i tell before ... if Killzone 2 & GT take that much time to develop imagen how much time GOD III will take to arrive ..... maybe its will be available in 2012 .. also most of the games that i have run at 720p & 30fps and i read in a PC hardware site before that the CPU that can reach higher fps is the more powerful so sony didnt give us whats its promise ... and notice that all the games that sony show it at E3 2005 is CG movies to trick people and make them believe that the ps3 able to do this.... so where is the CG quality games that sony promise us ?  

 

Gran Turismo was released months ago, in the form of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, with more content than many "full" racers.

Full Gran Turismo games always take years to develop, because of the hundreds of cars they include. 

As for God of War III, Sony Santa Monica are some of Sony's best and most efficient coders, and they wrok closely with Naughty Dog (who is technically under teh Santa Monica wing of Sony's studios). Naughty Dog already released a game a year ago, and their engine (as well as the work done by many other studios), will go into the engine used by SMS for God of War III.  Given all this, GoWIII should be out by the end of 2009.

Other than that, the only game left from 2005 that hasn't been either released or canceled is Killzone 2, and it's looking very similar to it's CG trailer.  As a beta tester, I can say it plays great as well.

yah but its still not the full game and thats why i didnt get it .. also microsoft will release FORZA 3 in 2009 thats mean a 2 FORZA  game in the same time that sony take to release a 1 GT game.

  three companies work in Killzone 2 ( one of them sony )and its still not coming so dont expect GOD III  to arrive soon.

 

Forza 3 has hardly been confirmed for 2009.  Actually, the latest rumors said that Turn 10 is working on PGR5 instead of Forza 3. 

That's what happens when you let developers like Bizarre Creations (and BioWare, Ensemble, Fasa, etc.) slip away.  You have all these franchises with few people to work on them.

And what three companies are working on Killzone 2?  Sony bought Geurrilla, and Killzone 2 is Geurilla's baby.  They're getting some assitance from other internal Sony devleopers, but the majority of the work is being done by Geurrilla.  Not to mention, ALL of Sony's internal developers are getting help.  That's the way Sony works now.  All the studios help each other out.  In the credits of Uncharted, Naughty Dog thanked Insomniac, Incognito, Polyphony Digital, and...you guessed it, Geurrilla Games, among various other studios for their assistance in making the title.  They assist each other in improving engine tech, and it's why Sony's titles look far better than anything else on the console market (GT5P, R&CF, and Uncharted being the former standard bearers, with Killzone 2 coming in to take the helm).

what i know its Insomniac & other company help Geurrilla to finish Killzone 2 but see how much time and work one game need to develop ... man the 360 take far less time and work to make a game for it.

also all the exclusive games on ps3 work on 720p for now and 30fps ... do u download the bioshock demo for ps3 .. if u did notice that the fps locked at 30fps and work on 720p but in the 360 version u can make it work at 60fps in 1080p by option to unlock the fps and this option is not in the ps3 version ... now if the ps3 more powerful as sony sayed how can the 360 perform higher fps than the ps3 ? i think sony lie to us thats all .... u didnt know how the PC graphics work before ? the system that make higher fps is the more powerful and thats mean the ps3 is not powerful as sony said.

if u dont know see this link for example: http://www.guru3d.com/article/his-radeon-hd-4850-iceq4-turbox-review/9

 

 



You do realize that the Xbox 360 doesn't actually have all that many 1080P titles don't you?

You do realize that the Xbox 360 has more than it's share of 30FPS games, right?

That said, the lack of a hardware scaler does hurt Sony. Painfully so because I can't imagine it costing all that much to put one in. Likewise, in retrospect the RSX should've been more powerfull.



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The two console both have their strength and weakness, the PS3's video card isn't as robust as the Xbox but it makes up for it by having a better CPU, when it comes to number crunching and physic, the PS3 > 360.

I'm curious on what you are comparing Killzone 2 with in develooment time? There is nothing current on the market with the exception of Crysis that can be called its graphical equal (yes not even Gears2).




@bugrimmar
now then you know that.......
so how..... get youself a 360 hurry!!!

MS Engineer: Cell Processor Not Suited for Games



Geldorn said:
You do realize that the Xbox 360 doesn't actually have all that many 1080P titles don't you?

You do realize that the Xbox 360 has more than it's share of 30FPS games, right?

That said, the lack of a hardware scaler does hurt Sony. Painfully so because I can't imagine it costing all that much to put one in. Likewise, in retrospect the RSX should've been more powerfull.

see this

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/features/ms-engineer-cell-processor-not-suited-for-games/69066/?biz=1

and this

http://www.siliconera.com/2006/10/26/from-the-gears-of-war-hollywood-launch-party/

no comment.

also see this

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33876428

 



ahcheng said:

@bugrimmar
now then you know that.......
so how..... get youself a 360 hurry!!!

MS Engineer: Cell Processor Not Suited for Games

 

 Aren't they the ones that caused the RRoD? Yeah.... let's just listen to them...



LOL MATURE said:
ahcheng said:

@bugrimmar
now then you know that.......
so how..... get youself a 360 hurry!!!

MS Engineer: Cell Processor Not Suited for Games

 

 Aren't they the ones that caused the RRoD? Yeah.... let's just listen to them...

LOL