rocketpig said:
vlad321 said:
The whole argument for guns is what happens when the current government decides to do smoething horrible that many people find unacceptable. Even though the slave issue was one of the most minor causes, the masses only knew of this and rose up against the government, resulting in the governments seceding from the federal government. The reason given for having guns is in case something gets passed that's as unappealing as the whole slave thing was back then to the southerners, at least the powerful ones, and we all know know what happened back then. Of course I'm gonna bring up the Civil War, why does history exist in the first place?
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Slave issues were one of the most minor causes of the Civil War? I've heard that point marginalized by various Southerners ex post facto, but never to that extent.
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I meant the whole "let's free the slaves because slavery is bad" argument, not the rest of the ramifications of no slavery. Basically the North wanted cheap labor, which they'd get if they could get if they freed the slaves of the South. But now we're diggressing from the actual issue, which is that the Civil War is the best example that we have of what happens when a large group of people decides to go against the federal government. Probably would have been better for the South if they didn't have guns in the first place, less death and destruction, but they did make their own government and all so meh. Point is, going against the established government unless you have well above 50% popular support is just stupid and at that point you won't be needing guns anyways.
OT: I agree with vagabond and Rubang on this, there's a fine line between patriotism and nationalism and many people can't even tell the difference. It takes a real patriot to tell the government to go shove it, assuming he is right, than to just submit and let himself be brainwashed by them.
