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halogamer1989 said:
What about Obama and Saul Alinsky? He was affiliated with him and Saul stated that people should "give credit to the original radical who at least earned his own kingdom -Lucifer." Talk about bad associations!

Good to see you haven't lost your sense of humor.  I know some people on this board who would have tried to say what you said as a serious accusation.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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akuma587 said:
halogamer1989 said:
What about Obama and Saul Alinsky? He was affiliated with him and Saul stated that people should "give credit to the original radical who at least earned his own kingdom -Lucifer." Talk about bad associations!

Good to see you haven't lost your sense of humor.  I know some people on this board who would have tried to say what you said as a serious accusation.

 

I'm not laughing and the serious voters aren't either.  Tell ACORN that while your at it :)

 



I love you guys.

Exhaustive unbiased report concludes Sara Palin abused her power as governor, in an administration that was amateurish, childish, and transparent in its cronyism.... all while Palin campaigns as an ethically sterling reformer.

BUT WAIT! EVERYONE LOOK AT OBAMA! He is pals with the 1997 Chicago Man of the Year / Respected Professor / Charitable Board Worker Bill Ayers! Except that he's not actually pals with the man, or close with him, or involved with anything other than the same charitable and educational board activities that both democrats and republicans are involved with in the Chicago area.

But hey, if you actually DO think it matters, then surely it matters to you that McCain really IS good friends with Gordon Liddy.

"How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy's home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator's campaigns--including $1,000 this year.

Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as "an old friend," and McCain sounded like one. "I'm proud of you, I'm proud of your family," he gushed. "It's always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great."

Which principles would those be? The ones that told Liddy it was fine to break into the office of the Democratic National Committee to plant bugs and photograph documents? The ones that made him propose to kidnap anti-war activists so they couldn't disrupt the 1972 Republican National Convention? The ones that inspired him to plan the murder (never carried out) of an unfriendly newspaper columnist?

Liddy was in the thick of the biggest political scandal in American history -- and one of the greatest threats to the rule of law. He has said he has no regrets about what he did, insisting that he went to jail as "a prisoner of war."

Gordon Liddy on Vitenam: "I wanted to bomb the Red River dykes [sic]. It would have drowned half the country and starved the other half. There would have been no way the Viet Cong could have operated if we had the will-power to do that."

Gordon Liddy advising Brand Davidians on ATF agents: "If the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms insists upon a firefight, give them a firefight. Just remember, they're wearing flak jackets and you're better off shooting for the head."

Gordon Liddy on Hitler: When he listened to Hitler on the radio, it "made me feel a strength inside I had never known before," he explains. "Hitler's sheer animal confidence and power of will [entranced me]. He sent an electric current through my body."

But yeah. Keep talking about Obama's "radical friends". The rest of the country seems to be waking up to the transparent ugliness and hypocrisy of McCain's campaign, as demonstrated by McCain's free falling polls.



Jackson50 said:
Rath said:
Jackson50 said:
A politician abused their position of power? This is news is...shocking!

What is shocking is that McCain picked somebody being actively investigated for abusing their power.

 

 

It is not terribly shocking. Previous presidential nominees have chosen running mates that have some nefarious blots on their record. Mondale selecting Ferraro and her financial problems is an example of this. 

 

Yes, but no winning tickets have selected VPs with problems that bad.

For example- McGovern in 72 with Eagleton (he had to change VP candidates, and he lost HORRIFICALLY to Nixon)

Or as you mentioned, Mondale in 84- he was crushed almost as badly if not worse than McGovern.

Bush-Quayle only made it through in 88 because of the awful campaign waged by Dukakis. When an able candidate came up, Bush and his less-than-intelligent Veep lost in a landslide.

McCain-Palin does not seem likely to reverse this trend. Obama-Biden will reign in November.




Misdirection towards the Obama camp would be proper if the Obama camp were making these attacks. But they aren't, so misdirecting the topic back to Obama is completely uncalled for.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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madskillz said:
Kasz216 said:
madskillz said:
Sqrl said:
madskillz said:
MrBubbles said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
MrBubbles, the panel voted UANIMOUSLY to adopt this report. And it has more Republicans than Democrats.

 

do you have a link? (no liberal blogs as your sources this time please) since they couldnt even agree to release the report i have a hard time believing they agreed on the investigation

The bipartisan Legislative Council, which commissioned the investigation after Monegan was fired, unanimously adopted the 263-page public report after a marathon executive session Friday.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/11/palin.investigation/index.html

 

 

Alaskan Statutes:

AS Title 39 Chapter 52 § 310. Complaints.
(c.) If a complaint alleges a violation of AS 39.52.110 - 39.52.190 by the governor, lieutenant governor, or the attorney general, the matter shall be referred to the personnel board. The personnel board shall return a complaint concerning the conduct of the governor or lieutenant governor who is a candidate for election to state office as provided in (j) of this section if the complaint is initiated during a campaign period. The personnel board shall retain independent counsel who shall act in the place of the attorney general under (d) - (i) of this section, AS 39.52.320 - 39.52.350, and 39.52.360(c.) and (d). Notwithstanding AS 36.30.015 (d), the personnel board may contract for or hire independent counsel under this subsection without notifying or securing the approval of the Department of Law.

Copied from another thread I posted this in.

Please note that the legilsature is using statute 39.52.110(a), which they clearly don't have authority to decide.

Also note that if you actually read the report it concludes that she didn't violate the law. This is what happens when gotcha politics is at work. Their conclusion was that they think the Wooten issue was a part of her reason for firing him (no proof of this in the slightest btw) but they conceded that she had legitimate reasons as well.

And that's what the Personnel Board is doing. More than likely, she'll be let off because 2 of the 3 folks on the board are loyal to her.

Now, the state paid Branchflower $100,000 to investigate her and find out if she abused power. With the blessing of a largely GOP board, he found she did abuse her power and used the governorship to settle a personal matter. That alone disqualifies her from being a VP. Say a country disses her - and she persuades Congress to make the country a parking lot. No, we've already had one clown in office who wanted to settle a personal score (Saddam tried to kill my daddy!) - we don't need a second.

The damage is duly noted. She could have stopped all this by cooperating. And when the Personnel board releases its findings, it still won't overshadow this damaging report.

An Illegal investigation doesn't disqualify anybody from anything. It's called Due process. We have it for a reason.

Heck you can bomb the pentagon and if your due process rights are violated get away scott free... and can do anything. Even become a teacher in a government run school.

How is it illegal when the state lawmakers are the ones who ordered, and even the Gov. said she would cooperate? The report noted she wasn't subpoenaed because she said she would cooperate.

You can slice it any way you want to, Kasz, but she did abuse power. The state wanted to know if she did and guess what? She did. As stated, the Personnel Board will slap her on the wrist but the findings are out there and could deal a hard blow to the campaign.

Oh, the Obama-Ayers ties. I really expected more out of you than resorting to that. You and others make it seems like he's hanging around with Rezko, with Ayers and even Farrakahn and that's not the case. Resort to personal attacks - and don't focus on how bad the economy is, how more folks will lose access to health care under McCain and truthfully, standing by and letting folks scream 'Kill him' or 'Terrorist!' at his rallies. Yeah, that's the kind of camp I would support.

I'd be ashamed to be associated with that garbage.

Interesting about Ayers - Internal reviews by The New York Times, The Washington Post, Time magazine, The Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic "have said that their reporting doesn't support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship." So, what are you talking about? Do you have personal information that ties him and Obama? So they lived in the same 'hood - so they were the same board. My heavens! I went to school and graduated with a guy that had a dead body in his trunk. Does that make me friends with a murderer? According to your standards, yeah.

I could see if Obama was running around, planting bombs when he was 8, but he's not.

Is that the best the GOP can do? McCain showed his awesome leadership when he said he's suspend his campaign and still ran thousands of attack ads. He showed his leadership when he didn't stop folks from shouting incorrect propaganda at his rallies, nor stopped his running mate from doing the same thing.

The Straight-Talk Express is taking the valley pass to the White House. Hate to tell them the bridge is out.

Maybe in 2012. And going 100 percent negative to win it?

I hope you use your head and make your vote count, Kas.

 


It's illegal because there is a law against it.  The Congress could decide they are going to rule on court cases.  It'd still be illegal.   It was illegal because it was against the laws written on the book and there were no laws to change it.  They decided to do something illegal. 

The Ayers thign was simply to show that if you aren't convicted of something legally, it doesn't take anything out of the picture.

I mean the guy bombed the pentagon and he teaches students.   Not only that but he's a highly respected teacher.

If he were actually convicted of the things he openly admits to doing he'd have trouble finding a job at a McDonalds.

It was no type of "deflection" at all.



ikilledkenny said:
Jackson50 said:
Rath said:
Jackson50 said:
A politician abused their position of power? This is news is...shocking!

What is shocking is that McCain picked somebody being actively investigated for abusing their power.

 

 

It is not terribly shocking. Previous presidential nominees have chosen running mates that have some nefarious blots on their record. Mondale selecting Ferraro and her financial problems is an example of this. 

 

Yes, but no winning tickets have selected VPs with problems that bad.

For example- McGovern in 72 with Eagleton (he had to change VP candidates, and he lost HORRIFICALLY to Nixon)

Or as you mentioned, Mondale in 84- he was crushed almost as badly if not worse than McGovern.

Bush-Quayle only made it through in 88 because of the awful campaign waged by Dukakis. When an able candidate came up, Bush and his less-than-intelligent Veep lost in a landslide.

McCain-Palin does not seem likely to reverse this trend. Obama-Biden will reign in November.

 

It wasn't Clinton being able that killed Bush it was him raising taxes and then getting a bad case of seafood poisoning at the wrong time.

The Vice President really hasn't been seen as important at all until like... Gore.

Well really when Gore lost.

Dick Cheney is the first VP in a long time to do anything of significance (though unfortunitly not the good kind.)

I mean gore did some stuff but he was less a part of the Clinton Administration then Hillary was.  It was really like she was the VP.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
McCain sure could use some good news one of these days. This is getting fucking hilarious. Oh wait, his wife made $6 million last year. He'll be fine.

McCain also thinks five million dollars is middle class...

madskillz said:
Kasz216 said:
madskillz said:
halogamer1989 said:
madskillz said:
masterb8tr said:
God i hope you americans dont vote for MacCain

LOL - nah, most folks I know aren't fooled by the Christian right's attempt or GOP's scare tactics. Why would I vote for a party that's got it wrong for 8 years? What can they possibly do that they didn't do 8 years ago? I am better off than I was 8 years ago, but I had to move around to achieve it. Nope, this is one brother they aren't fooling - and I am not alone.

 

McCain has disagreed with Bush on climate change, the war strategy, immigration, green initiatives, bi-partisan legislation, etc. McSame is a LAME strategy.

 

Oh, ok - but didn't McCain agree with Bush 90 percent of the time on everything else? Seriously - I am still trying to figure out how McCain differs from Bush. Everything I read - yeah, I work for a paper and see tons of articles, plus reports by ABC, CBS, NBC, BBC and Reuters - points to an extension of Bush. After 8 years of this crap, 8 is enough.

I will admit - I was contemplating voting for McCain in 2000, when Bush swiftboated him. Now? The 2000 McCain is a hollow shell of the 2008 version. I would call this new McCain a downgrade of sorts.


He disagreed with Bush on how to work the war in Iraq... eventually after winning him over to McCain's plans iraq got better.

Called for watching the bank problems since 05 when Bush didn't want to.

Against Terrorism.

Belives in Global Warming.

Against some parts of the patriot act for treading on civil libreties

For campaign finance reform

 

 

Iraq is better? Didn't Petraeus say repeatedly that progress in Iraq remains fragile and tenuous.

So, you truthfully think he's the best choice for our country? Why isn't he touting how much he can offer the country instead of focusing on negatives? Maybe I am seeing something completely different than you are, but in debates, all I see is attack, attack, attack from McCain.

Zogby could right - he predicted it would be close until the election, and end in a landslide. We'll see.

 

and all I see of Obama's commercials is attack attack attack, and since he has raised so much money there are a lot of them.  btw, the 90% with Bush statistic is just basic twisting of numbers.  they only count times when Bush publicly states his opinion on a subject, and it doesn't count whether Bush states his opinion on the matter before or after the vote it will still state that McCain voted "with" Bush.

 



toastboy44562 said:

 

McCain also thinks five million dollars is middle class...

 

that was his definition of "rich" actually



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