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why is it WalMart's stocks are still high... and strong. WalMart needs to burn in heck. Down with WalMart.



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famousringo said:

Especially embarrassing since GM could have positioned themselves as the master of electric vehicles like Toyota is now the go-to dealer for hybrid vehicles. Such a short-sighted waste of an opportunity.

Meh. Human power and rails are the future of transit, anyway. Cars will be for the elite.

GM was too busy making future-proof SUV's.



ssj12 said:
why is it WalMart's stocks are still high... and strong. WalMart needs to burn in heck. Down with WalMart.

 

Because the recently unemployed and newly destitute retirees need to shop somewhere, and they're probably going to be a lot more price-conscious then they were this time last year.



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Well we now have had a Japanese victim of the credit crisis. I had not expected to see that sort of action in asia but I guess it really is global. Tomorrow we should see the payout on the credit default for Lehman Brothers. I doubt payouts in the billions on that will help the market. What a mess.



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FishyJoe said:
Odd thing is Nintendo went up 5% when the market was obliterated.

 

So, it's only down 25-30% since last month. That's actually not that bad comparatively.

 



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So, what do you guys think of this person's perspective on the media coverage?



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Vertigo-X said:
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2008-10-05-1.html

So, what do you guys think of this person's perspective on the media coverage?

The basic premise is wrong. Sub-prime lending didn't cause this crisis. If all of those loans had gone bad 20 or 30 years ago then we would certainly be tip toeing around waiting for the other shoe drop (and it usually does) and then there's a recession for 2-5 years.

If you examine the record you can find many housing bubbles that are followed by housing slumps. When you have those housing slumps you start getting a lot of foreclosures.

The 100% LTV loans (that were NOT associated with Fannie or Freddie and were NOT associated with CRA) that were pushed by the banks and wholesale mortgage lenders were examples of the worst type of B-Paper. These were the loans that were wrapped up into CDO's, sliced and diced then auctioned off and then would be hedged against with credit swaps. Funny thing is most of the credit swaps supposed collateral was mostly CDO's. So in effect banks, investors, etc, were buying CDO and insuring them with credit swaps based on CDO's. That's a real cool trick and an obvious was to create money from nothing when housing prices are going up and and obvious way to turn the whole CDO pool of credit obligations (they act mostly like bonds) into shit. When the housing market starts taking a downturn and some of the CDO's start going bad what happens? That's when the people with CDO's go to the people they bought the Credit Swaps from to cover their losses, and guess what, there's no money because the Credit Swaps value is based on the value of the CDO's which are now basically worthless because they are illiquid.

From that point on lots of bad things happen. A lot of them have alread happened and a lot are still to come.

Fun Fact: Foreclosures for houses valued at over $1mill have almost doubled in the last year.



@fkusumot: What do you think about him blaming this on Democrats, though? Even if he didn't get the specifics right about the causes of the housing crisis, does he have a point with regards to the irresponsibility displayed by the Dems?



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