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akuma587 on 05 October 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
This is all very interesting.

I'm sure it will be all over the news by the time we vote.

McCain was just saving it until the polls were too good for Obama.


I know Biden's crazy and all, but has he ever been involved in a big scandal? Other than the plagiarism one? If not, he'd be the cleanest candidate out of the 4, even though he's been in Washington for the longest. That would be hilarious

The news has been out for months.  The McCain camp saw and opportunity to put "terrorist" and "Obama" in the same sentence so they decided to bring it back up again.

 

 



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The Ghost of RubangB on 05 October 2008

Hahaha, nice.

I know he's crazy, but I meant like, a political scandal. I don't think Biden has anything we could attach "Gate" to the end of.

I'll assume he's the cleanest candidate out of the 4, but nuts.



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akuma587 on 05 October 2008
Sqrl said:

Like I said the CAC documents only were opened last month, and there are hundreds of boxes of documents.  I won't delve into a conspiracy about who was trying to keep them sealed but the timing of it has been out of McCain's hands and from what I understand they haven't sent anybody to look into it yet...honestly though I think we both know thats probably not entirely true..I would bet McCain has sent someone. Just noone who is officially part of the campaign.  Sort of like what happened with Palin in Alaska...I think we can both be honest in saying that both campaigns get their hands into this stuff at the "unofficial" level. 

 

 

I think you actually know more about this than the McCain camp does.

Or they realize that saying something like this would confuse the hell out of people: Obama worked to fund schools and organizations with a guy who was acquitted of terrorism charges but who later wrote a book about it and Obama may or may not have supported the statements in these books (or his wife may have) but misappropriated funds to non-math and science programs and put them into ACORN because this fits in with Ayers radical agenda.

The average person would say, "Who gives a shit," because it is completely tangential to anything going on right now.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Kasz216 on 05 October 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Hahaha, nice.

I know he's crazy, but I meant like, a political scandal. I don't think Biden has anything we could attach "Gate" to the end of.

I'll assume he's the cleanest candidate out of the 4, but nuts.

 

Not really.  The worst things i can think of is he didn't try hard enough to block conservative judges.

He plagerized some speach or something.

It's not like Biden will get to do anything as VP anyway. 

He's generally clean.  Though hope he doesn't become president because he's basically the type of guy that would try to declare war on someone for just pissing him off.  (Well he can't declare war but he can send troops.)

On that end I do like that he wants to put troops in Darfur though I'm not sure if that's really the stance of Obama... or where these troops would actually come from... since even Obama's plans are going to have the removal of troops from Iraq be very slow.

 



The Ghost of RubangB on 05 October 2008

Obama could be an active terrorist right now, but I'd still prefer his tax plan, his health care plan, his energy plan, his Iraq plans, his diplomacy plans, his vice president, his wife, his constitutional law knowledge and basketball skills, compared to McCain's.



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Sqrl on 05 October 2008
akuma587 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
This is all very interesting.

I'm sure it will be all over the news by the time we vote.

McCain was just saving it until the polls were too good for Obama.


I know Biden's crazy and all, but has he ever been involved in a big scandal? Other than the plagiarism one? If not, he'd be the cleanest candidate out of the 4, even though he's been in Washington for the longest. That would be hilarious

The news has been out for months.  The McCain camp saw and opportunity to put "terrorist" and "Obama" in the same sentence so they decided to bring it back up again.

 

 

 

Well for the record I think it is grossly irresponsible and unfair to say Obama is a terrorist or supports terrorism.  I think Ayers has moved away from that aspect of his activism and I don't think Obama would have associated with him if he hadn't.  I think any report done on the story should indicate that, but not to the point where it obscures what has taken place.
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Kasz216 on 05 October 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Obama could be an active terrorist right now, but I'd still prefer his tax plan, his health care plan, his energy plan, his Iraq plans, his diplomacy plans, his vice president, his wife, his constitutional law knowledge and basketball skills, compared to McCain's.

Really his energy plan?  His energy plan is nothing but a wink to his home state that's going to make the global food crisis a hell of a lot worse.

Illnois being the number 1 producers of Ethanol and Coal.

It's the main reason i can't vote for him.  I can't see why anyone would perfer his energy plan unless you were a big company in Illnois.

Corn based Ethanol is not a renewable energy we should be supporting.  Hell the UN calls it criminal.

I mean everything else i can see points for... but his energy plan is horrible.

 

 



The Ghost of RubangB on 05 October 2008

He wants to dump way more money into alternative fuels and alternative fuel research than McCain, so I'm hoping that will more than make up for the ethanol and coal, and eventually make them as obsolete as oil.

It's the one kernel of shit in the middle of my delicous cake, but I gotta eat through it to get to the delicious strawberry frosting, ya know?

I think with McCain there will be just as much shit, but no strawberry frosting at the end.

I hope that made sense.



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Kasz216 on 05 October 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
He wants to dump way more money into alternative fuels and alternative fuel research than McCain, so I'm hoping that will more than make up for the ethanol and coal, and eventually make them as obsolete as oil.

It's the one kernel of shit in the middle of my delicous cake, but I gotta eat through it to get to the delicious strawberry frosting, ya know?

I think with McCain there will be just as much shit, but no strawberry frosting at the end.

I hope that made sense.

I guess.... but I mean he wants to double or triple it.  Which has way more serious complications then McCain's plan.

The UN and US biofuels programs are said to be about 33% of the inflation of global food prices according to the UN. (If i remember correctly, i know it's seen as the highest problem.  With speculation being second highest at 30%.)

The EU makes around 1.5 Billion liters per year i believe.  The US 5 Billion galons.

Seeing as there a 3 liters in a galon about...  That's about .5 Billion. galons.

Making the US largely resonsible for that 33% increase.   Doubling or tripling that is going to be catostropic, driving another 50-60 million people into starvation worldwide.

That's a pretty big kernal of shit if you ask me.  Compared to McCain saying he would get rid of all Ethanol subsides... which would pull a bunch of starving people back to the table.

Obama's energy policy is more damaging then the entire Iraq war was.  Just not to us... so people aren't going to care as much.

 

 



Rath on 05 October 2008
Kasz216 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
He wants to dump way more money into alternative fuels and alternative fuel research than McCain, so I'm hoping that will more than make up for the ethanol and coal, and eventually make them as obsolete as oil.

It's the one kernel of shit in the middle of my delicous cake, but I gotta eat through it to get to the delicious strawberry frosting, ya know?

I think with McCain there will be just as much shit, but no strawberry frosting at the end.

I hope that made sense.

I guess.... but I mean he wants to double or triple it.  Which has way more serious complications then McCain's plan.

The UN and US biofuels programs are said to be about 33% of the inflation of global food prices according to the UN. (If i remember correctly, i know it's seen as the highest problem.  With speculation being second highest at 30%.)

The EU makes around 1.5 Billion liters per year i believe.  The US 5 Billion galons.

Seeing as there a 3 liters in a galon about...  That's about .5 Billion. galons.

Making the US largely resonsible for that 33% increase.   Doubling or tripling that is going to be catostropic, driving another 50-60 million people into starvation worldwide.

That's a pretty big kernal of shit if you ask me.  Compared to McCain saying he would get rid of all Ethanol subsides... which would pull a bunch of starving people back to the table.

Obama's energy policy is more damaging then the entire Iraq war was.  Just not to us... so people aren't going to care as much.

Firstly let me say I think biofuel production on land that should be used for crops is wrong, other and better alternative fuels need to be found. I believe that biofuels should be made but from algae rather than food crops as algae can be grown without using up arable land.

However Brazil produces nearly as much ethanol as the USA, it is the second largest producer in the world and is very close to the US indeed.