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Bitmap Frogs said:
disolitude said:
Here is a price/spec comparison.

Mac book (regular one, not a pro) - $1149

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10099350&catid=22156

Specs -
CPU - Intel Core 2 Duo 2.1GHz
Ram - 1Gig
Hard drive - 120 GB
Drive - combo drive (WTF is that)
Screen - 13.3 inches

Similarly spec'd PC from same store - 699

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10107931&catid=20354

Specs - CPU Intel Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz
Ram - 4 GB !!!
Hard Drive - 200 GB
Drvie - 8X DVD+/-RW MultiFormat DL w/ LabelFlash
Screen - 14.1 inches

Now I know its gateway, who are like Dell and its not HP, Toshiba...etc. But the specs are much better for the Gateway at 40% less cost.

Also, this is a regual mac, not a macbook pro. This means that its the plastic white shell (not the metal one) that will heat up until it burns your testicles off... At these prices, is anyone surprised that they get so much revenue?

I've used a Mac and I didn't like the OS...but there really is nothing wrong with it. Its a functional system for people that want to use it for sure. However just like a PC, it does crash...your data gets lost...there are things you can't do that you could on a PC...its missing drivers when you need them most...etc...

What I'm trying to say is that people need to examine their needs from a computer machine. Some may need a mac for some video editing software some may need a PC for some database tool...but for day to day computing (gaming, word poressor, internet...) there is no denying that PC's have more features and are better value.

 

Did you even read the thread?

Lol...usually comments like this are reserved for threads that are a bit more complex than this.

To sum up in short, the initial post was about people buying Macs and its rising marketshare and revenue...

The discussion lead to why this is happening and why macs/pcs are superior comapred to one another. My post is well within that argument...

So to sum up my reply for you, you look quite silly asking this question.

 



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disolitude said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Did you even read the thread?

Lol...usually comments like this are reserved for threads that are a bit more complex than this.

To sum up in short, the initial post was about people buying Macs and its rising marketshare and revenue...

The discussion lead to why this is happening and why macs/pcs are superior comapred to one another. My post is well within that argument...

So to sum up my reply for you, you look quite silly asking this question.

 

 

This is about you repeating that tired old meme that mac's arent worth the money they cost, hardware wise. If you had read the thread you'd have found a post that tells you the easy way to buy mac's with equivalent pricing to pc's as far as the hardware that's inside. Which you didn't.

Hence, have you even read the thread?





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Ah, once you are done swallowing the whole price-difference thingalingy, I'd like you to explain why pc's are better for word processing (considering both office and open source office suites run on mac os x), internet (there's a crapload of browsers and other web-based utilities like ftp's available for mac os x) or gaming (considering you can just bootcamp into your gaming windows partition from any mac).





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Bitmap Frogs said:
disolitude said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Did you even read the thread?

Lol...usually comments like this are reserved for threads that are a bit more complex than this.

To sum up in short, the initial post was about people buying Macs and its rising marketshare and revenue...

The discussion lead to why this is happening and why macs/pcs are superior comapred to one another. My post is well within that argument...

So to sum up my reply for you, you look quite silly asking this question.

 

 

This is about you repeating that tired old meme that mac's arent worth the money they cost, hardware wise. If you had read the thread you'd have found a post that tells you the easy way to buy mac's with equivalent pricing to pc's as far as the hardware that's inside. Which you didn't.

Hence, have you even read the thread?

 

The post you made about the "time to buy apple products" is pretty funny. You expect consumers to wait to get products they would like to buy because the price is not competitive. Yes, wait for Apple god to say its time to buy...give me a break.

One can jump through all the hoops apple would like...but on the end of the day even with that guide one can easily find macs to be more expensive (although not as much if you dont mind waiting) then equivalent pcs. 

The thing is, not everyone is a computer expert nor do they want to use 2 OS on one computer to do what they would like to do. (get a mac...but bootcamp a game or whatever else doesn't work on Mac OS...lol). Macs may do what you want them to do...but they still lack the support that pcs have.

Here is an example, I work in online advertising industy and when it comes to the biggest ad servers in the world (dart and atlas)...neither support mac OS. They user interface doesnt run on anything but IE. Infact most of the time we have a complicated flash ad, or a rich media ad...we just turn off the targetting to mac OS. The ad is optimized for windows and IE and this saves us the trouble of having to torubleshoot macs since we know that ad will have issues.

I know that mac fans such as you are hoping mac becomes the dominant platform but until that happens you really can't pretend like it is...



Seems that Steve Job is slowly taking his revenge on Billy Gates.



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jkimball said:
Euphoria14 said:
I wouldn't mind having a Macbook myself, but not for their prices.

 

 $1099? When did that become expensive? I don't even want to know what my company paid for the X300 I am typing this on, but I am pretty sure it was more than $1099!

 

It will be interesting when Apple breaks the 1k barrier.

 

When the exact same laptop that isn't made by mac was priced at $699 and offered more power and functionality.



Bitmap Frogs said:
Ah, once you are done swallowing the whole price-difference thingalingy, I'd like you to explain why pc's are better for word processing (considering both office and open source office suites run on mac os x), internet (there's a crapload of browsers and other web-based utilities like ftp's available for mac os x) or gaming (considering you can just bootcamp into your gaming windows partition from any mac).

for the first two - i can't say anything against them, other than disolitude's comment about some aps not running well on the OSX. But i can speak for the latter, which is purely convenience. Simply put - i often do small tasks inbetween gaming sessions (chatting, internet, whatever), or literally during if i have to wait for something for some odd reason (mind you, this is the same reason why i'm a big fan of running games in its own window). In other words, i dont like having to switch to a different OS (in my case, my ubuntu partition) simply to do a specific task, then know that i will have to reboot into the other OS when im done. likewise, as someone else noted - the little differences in the user interfaces themselves simply become tedious (i.e. my annoyance at simply resizing / maximizing a window when using a Mac), making you want to stick to one OS, even if you need the other for whatever reason. But that's probably just me, that has little patience for small (and somewhat unneccessary) annoyances.

so yeah, no good reason - just convenience. in other words - the will to be lazy.

also - disolitude made a good point that i didnt realize until now concerning mac prices - yes, they are competitively priced shortly after their revisions but like you noted - the last revision was in february - this article relates to august sales (i think, i forgot). The thing that bugs me is that in essence, the extra profit that apple made off these laptops was....bad for the consumer in general, since at that point in time they could've gotten something far more worth their money in terms of computer specs, at least. I mean, i have no problem if they wanted a mac for the sake of using OSX (basically, they paid a premium to use said OS in this instance), but it just seems to me that unless apple revises their product more often, its just...feels like a ripoff to purchase so late into the "model revision". If that made any sense. But i guess thats why apple had the 300 dollar itouch deal along with the 200 dollar rebate that i think impulsivity noted - so atleast that makes me feel better about said situation.

/mini rant

 



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disolitude said:

The post you made about the "time to buy apple products" is pretty funny. You expect consumers to wait to get products they would like to buy because the price is not competitive. Yes, wait for Apple god to say its time to buy...give me a break.

One can jump through all the hoops apple would like...but on the end of the day even with that guide one can easily find macs to be more expensive (although not as much if you dont mind waiting) then equivalent pcs. 

The thing is, not everyone is a computer expert nor do they want to use 2 OS on one computer to do what they would like to do. (get a mac...but bootcamp a game or whatever else doesn't work on Mac OS...lol). Macs may do what you want them to do...but they still lack the support that pcs have.

Here is an example, I work in online advertising industy and when it comes to the biggest ad servers in the world (dart and atlas)...neither support mac OS. They user interface doesnt run on anything but IE. Infact most of the time we have a complicated flash ad, or a rich media ad...we just turn off the targetting to mac OS. The ad is optimized for windows and IE and this saves us the trouble of having to torubleshoot macs since we know that ad will have issues.

I know that mac fans such as you are hoping mac becomes the dominant platform but until that happens you really can't pretend like it is...

 

What's funny is how you interpret the post. I'm telling you and everybody that if you want to buy apple without overpaying, you can, as long as you are smart about it. You seem quite reluctant to drop the "bu-bu-but macs are exPENssIVE!" bulletpoint and I understand since it's quite a useful argument (afterall, who wants to be ripped off?) - but even PC sites like tom's hardware have done the comparison. Within those 30-45 days window the Mac Pro premium is under 100$. I wouldn't call 100$ on a 3k machine a relevant price difference.

By the way, since you aren't saying anything about word processing, I'm assuming you are dropping your silly claim that pc's are better for word processing. Phew - some common sense, at least.

So your company doesn't support mac os for ads. Cool. It neither supports alternative browsers to IE - firefox? opera? chrome? etc... see you accuse me of hoping the mac becomes the dominant platform, but it looks like you are just projecting your hope that nothing takes over windows and Internet  Explorer because then your company might have to build the adds for cross-browser compatibility.

In a nutshell, smart buyers get mac computers at comparable prices to similarly geared pc boxes. The software support is growing and for whatever it hasn't transitioned yet, you have bootcamp. Thanks for clearing that up, disolitude.

Anyways, you didn't read the thread. At least from now on, you might bother to read the threads before hitting the reply button to spam your biased agenda.

 





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Dragonos said:

its just...feels like a ripoff to purchase so late into the "model revision".

 

 

It feels like that because it is a ripoff. That's why you don't do it!

It used to be a problem back in the powerpc days because the roadmap was sorta esoteric but these days since they are on intel's you can predict with clockwork accuracy whenever an update is going to happen.





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disolitude said:
@Plaupius

A specific example of me missing drivers on a mac was when I was going to europe with it on a plane and my windows crashed (it was already wonky before I went on the trip) and I tried watching the movies I brought with me to entertain me during the 8 hour flight.

None of them would play on a mac OSX... I had VLC and Divx installed on the windows xp partition...but since I rarely used mac OSX, all I had was quicktime.

Stories like this happen to windows users all the time...but for some reason people think that macs are immune to this problem.

 

   You go to a Divx site, you download a codec for quick time that is free (it takes about 30 seconds) and quicktime forever more is able to use Divx files perfectly.  There are also a dozen Divx programs that are available outside quicktime for OSX most of them free.

 

   So your example is that you downloaded a program for XP and didn't download one for OSX and then were annoyed that your mac didn't magicly have the ability to watch illegal copies of movies out of the box?  Yes the mac is not 100% magical, you have to occasionally find software to accomplish the tasks you want to do.  Luckily on the mac those programs are far more often free and far more prevalant then on Windows (it is quite strange that there are more nice little 3rd party apps on the mac then windows for almost everything except maybe file sharing, but it is indeed the case, probably because like Linux users mac users tend to be more enthusiastic about supporting the platform and Cocoa is REALLY easy to write for).

 

    For those who said macs aren't in industry they're pushing 5% in industry in september numbers and its going up fast (almost doubled in the last year).  Vista on the other hand is barely to 8% now, so OSX is very competitive with Vista in the "enterprise" market.  I wouldn't be surprised if OSX eventually passed Vista in that market.  If Windows 8 isn't the greatest thing since sliced bread Microsoft is pretty screwed between OSX and Linux.

 

  For some people who think a laptop should cost 500 dollars and are fine with 1.83 or 2.0 ghz obsolete processors and low end components there really isn't much to convince you.  Macs are for people who actually care about what computer they are using and are more interested in quality of experience for the next few years then scraping the bottom of the commodity price barrel.  It is kind of the same reason some people buy nice cars and some people but Kias.  Yes, in fact, both will accomplish the basic tasks needed of a car.  They both have wheels and they both can get you to work (though the Kia can't do it nearly as fast or as well or with as many features) but sometimes in life its worth paying a little more to get something that isn't clumsy and lame.

 

   Speaking of lame what is with that ad point disolitude was making?  Is he trying to say that macs not being targeted by ads is a bad thing for macs?  

 

   Ironicly, I'm sure most of you have seen those I'm a PC ads, guess what they were made on?  That's right, a mac.  Microsoft has this new suite of video applications to compete with Final cut Pro and Adobe and yet even those working for Microsoft don't like using that shovelware they put out (in similar news compare imovie to windows movie maker or iwork to Microsoft Works, Apple first party software is VASTLY superior to the clones of Apple software MS puts out with Windows).




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