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MikeB on 29 September 2008

@ stof

"slight quality upgrade when given an appropriate Television"

IMO a pretty big quality difference on the average TV sold today (and right sound system for audio improvement).

The quality (depends also on original recording quality and HD polish add), worth of additional content and features differs from release to release.

t sucks that the attempt at a replacement for the DVD medium doesn't improve upon the one glaring fault of DVDs. They scratch like crazy! Why we've been given a new format with a giant exposed flat surface of "please scratch here" utterly confounds me, and ensures we'll eventually be getting an entirely new format in the future.


What are you talking about? Blu-Ray discs don't scratch (unless using a knife or something), like I stated above and many other threads already....



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Grey Acumen on 29 September 2008

y'know, when bluray came out, people were talking about "oh, it'll be like betamax and LCDs!" but then you finally had everyone declare a victory of bluray over HDDVD, and it seemed like Sony would finally put out a format that would be accepted by the public.

I'm not cheering for it, but I would find it utterly hilarious if even AFTER beating out HDDVD, you still wound up with bluray becoming yet another failed format on Sony's list.



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perpride on 29 September 2008
DMeisterJ said:
This article fails to mention the 30 percent increases for the previous two weeks.

shame.

 

 



TheBigFatJ on 29 September 2008

BD is already a success.  Not from a monetary standpoint, but it is the next generation disc format.

Whether or not BD will be a monetary success for Sony clearly remains to be seen, but it is not foolish to guess that either (1) it won't be profitable for Sony in the end because it will not be fully adopted or (2) it will eventually be fully adopted and will be profitable for Sony.

A lot has to do with how prices of movies come down.  And that's something Sony doesn't want to see because it wants to make more profit from BD than it does from DVD.  The whole point of the BD format is to secure and increase Sony's movie-based royalties for the future and BD looks like it may not do that.

However, there is no reason to care because Sony will continue to support BD, profitable or not, until there is little demand left for the format.  Unless you care about Sony personally, which would be foolish because they don't give a shit about you except for the money youc an give them, there's no reason to care if they make lots of money from BD or if they lose money from BD.

 



MikeB on 29 September 2008

@ Grey Acumen

y'know, when bluray came out, people were talking about "oh, it'll be like betamax


I find it funny that Sony and Philips' success stories far outweigh the disappointments.

Sony had an enormous success introducing 3.5 inch diskettes for data storage.
Philips had an enormous success introducing (music) cassettes (Compact cassette).
Sony and Philips had an enormous success introducing the CD (Compact disc).

Yet fanboys only drag betamax into discussions whenever a Blu-Ray topic comes up...



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theprof00 on 29 September 2008

Lame argument.
First it was BR only has 1%, then only 2%, now 8%.
It keeps going like this every percent increase or decrease. A year from now it will be. BR only has 20% of the market, can it really last (lame argument inserted here).
5 years from now:
Holographs only have 1% of the market vs BR. Can it really last?



tuoyo on 29 September 2008

Find yourself a VCR, and pop a tape into it. After that, throw a DVD into your player, and watch it on your HDTV. When you're done with that, do me a favor, and pop a Blu-ray movie into your PS3. Notice anything shocking when comparing VHS to DVD and anything, well, disappointing when comparing that DVD movie to Blu-ray?

That's what I thought.

Why would I want to buy a Blu-ray player and Blu-ray movies, which are more expensive than DVDs, when I can get the same basic experience (if not quite as enhanced) for little or no additional cost?

 

I agree with this 100%.  The difference between VHS and DVD on a HDTV is unbelievable.  In fact VHS is unwatchable on my 6ft screen with a HD projector which is disappointing because it means I can't watch my recordings of the 2000 and 2004 Olympics anymore or the VHS movies I bought (won't waste money buying them again on DVD).  DVD on the other hand looks amazing (at least movies with quality transfers do).  In fact they look even better than HD programming from Sky HD apart from BBC HD (which is simply amazing - wish I could say the same about movies on Sky Movies HD).  However, the difference between HD DVD/Blu Ray and DVD is minimal.  I went for a Home Cinema exhibition where they were demonstrating Transformers using an 8ft wide projection screen and £6000 projector.  They played the same scene on DVD using a quality upscaling DVD player and on HD DVD using a HD DVD player.  I could barely notice the difference and certainly not a big enough difference for me to want to be paying like £15 for movies when I can get them for about £7.  My wife didn't even notice any difference at all.  And that was using an 8ft wide display with a projector which cost more than most people would spend on a car.  Obviously there is a difference but the difference for the average person doesn't justify the additional expense and doesn't come even within 50 lightyears of the difference between DVD and VHS.



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HappySqurriel on 29 September 2008
MikeB said:

@ Grey Acumen

y'know, when bluray came out, people were talking about "oh, it'll be like betamax


I find it funny that Sony and Philips' success stories far outweigh the disappointments.

Sony had an enormous success introducing 3.5 inch diskettes for data storage.
Philips had an enormous success introducing (music) cassettes (Compact cassette).
Sony and Philips had an enormous success introducing the CD (Compact disc).

Yet fanboys only drag betamax into discussions whenever a Blu-Ray topic comes up...

First off, Sony's 3.5 inch diskette failed and was replaced by a similar format that had the support of multiple companies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk

Sony introduced their own small-format 90.0 mm × 94.0 mm disk, similar to the others but somewhat simpler in construction than the AmDisk. The first computer to use this format was Sony's SMC 70[15] of 1982. Other than Hewlett-Packard's HP-150 of 1983 and Sony's MSX computers that year, this format suffered from a similar fate as the other new formats: the 5¼-inch format simply had too much market share. A variant on the Sony design, introduced in 1982 by a large number of manufacturers was then rapidly adopted. By 1988 the 3½-inch was outselling the 5¼-inch

On top of that Sony's involvement with the CD format occured after the engineering was (mostly) completed, and they acted more like a marketing parter.

Finally, Betamax wasn't the only "failed" format Sony created ... Betamax, Minidisc, SACD, and UMD are a few of the well known examples



theprof00 on 29 September 2008
tuoyo said:

Find yourself a VCR, and pop a tape into it. After that, throw a DVD into your player, and watch it on your HDTV. When you're done with that, do me a favor, and pop a Blu-ray movie into your PS3. Notice anything shocking when comparing VHS to DVD and anything, well, disappointing when comparing that DVD movie to Blu-ray?

That's what I thought.

Why would I want to buy a Blu-ray player and Blu-ray movies, which are more expensive than DVDs, when I can get the same basic experience (if not quite as enhanced) for little or no additional cost?

 

I agree with this 100%.  The difference between VHS and DVD on a HDTV is unbelievable.  In fact VHS is unwatchable on my 6ft screen with a HD projector which is disappointing because it means I can't watch my recordings of the 2000 and 2004 Olympics anymore or the VHS movies I bought (won't waste money buying them again on DVD).  DVD on the other hand looks amazing (at least movies with quality transfers do).  In fact they look even better than HD programming from Sky HD apart from BBC HD (which is simply amazing - wish I could say the same about movies on Sky Movies HD).  However, the difference between HD DVD/Blu Ray and DVD is minimal.  I went for a Home Cinema exhibition where they were demonstrating Transformers using an 8ft wide projection screen and £6000 projector.  They played the same scene on DVD using a quality upscaling DVD player and on HD DVD using a HD DVD player.  I could barely notice the difference and certainly not a big enough difference for me to want to be paying like £15 for movies when I can get them for about £7.  My wife didn't even notice any difference at all.  And that was using an 8ft wide display with a projector which cost more than most people would spend on a car.  Obviously there is a difference but the difference for the average person doesn't justify the additional expense and doesn't come even within 50 lightyears of the difference between DVD and VHS.

It is not only resolution that is important.

do some research for christs sake. All i see on this site is: graphics don't matter!

Well, graphics don't matter. there is a whole online component to BR, and the sound quality AND video quality are better.

Plus it has more room for extra sound tracks, and other things. BR isn't just a high res DVD.

 



theprof00 on 29 September 2008

if the point of the argument is "sony fails at everything therefore i should not support them" then it is going to be impossible to convince them otherwise.
somehow even the playstation is not even considered a success story to these people so don't try and reason with them.