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bigjon said:
akuma587 said:
bigjon said:

yea, why don't you mention that Bubba signed that baby into law... no,no, no, it was all mccain. And by the way the man who was the head of treasury at that time said there was no correlation between that law and the current economic troubles. Also he was a democrat (I am just applying your Carl Rove logic).

 

I agree in the sense that it really doesn't matter anyways who caused the problem, as both parties had a substantial hand in it. Republicans may have had a slightly larger hand for the sole reason that they controlled Congress for a pretty long period of time. Clinton did sign the deregulation into law.

Hindsight is 20/20, so it is hard to blame either party for something that wasn't entirely foreseeable. Republicans had a majority in Congress too when McCain couldn't re-regulate (sounds so weird), so the Republican party didn't warm up to the idea either.

I just don't think McCain suspending his campaign is going to do any good for the American public, and may even cause more harm than good by turning this into a political battle. I think it is a politically calculated move more than anything. I think McCain is a good guy, but the intentions behind suspending his campaign are mixed at best.

 

 

I agree with you completely. Even the part about Mccain not running a perfect campaign. I hate partison politics. I am not a republican I am just a finance guy, and I am a major fiscal conservative. I wish we would have just listen to Washinton and not gone with the 2 party system.

I also think most of the stuff they can't settle in the House should be sent to the states for Referandum(spelling?)... That would be a major step from a republic and towards democracy.

I just get frustrated when people don't see the problems with Obama too.

 

I never said he was perfect. I initially went for Hillary, but after seeing her attacking Obama for no reason but to win, I bailed on her. Is he perfect? Of course not. I don't like the way he flip-flopped on the Iraq war and when to bring them home, I don't like how he caved and went along with the offshore drilling and I don't think he is compassionate as he could be and really, really needs to be.

However, when I look at the alternative - McCain who has Phil Gramm telling him what to do on economic matters (Phail) vs. Clinton's former financial secretary (a whiz), McCain who has Palin that's nothing more than a bundle of fun but hasn't been grilled yet like the rest of the candidates and faces an abuse of power charge, McCain who can call Obama an elitist when though Obama owns just one house and one hybrid vs. John's 13 cars in 7 houses and who said the economy is fundamentally strong. But really, what about retirement? His stance on staying in Iraq for 100 years? His campaign dude taking money from Freddie Mac and McCain was clueless on it and "He didn't take money."

 



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steven787 said:
madskillz said:

What really showed me McCain was doomed was when George Wills, conservative columnist for the Wash Post, said McCain is not ready to be president. He did hit Obama but said he could learn the tasks quickly. But he expressed real doubts about McCain.

And mind you, this is a conservative guy, not a lib.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/will092308.php3

Again, check out factcheck.org and type whatever you wanna know before spewing rumors. Thanks.

 

 

George Wills is conservative, but has been endorsing Dems for a while (since 2006?) because the Dems ARE the conservative party.

In the past 20 years, they have voted for less spending, more freedom, and mix of traditional foreign policy as opposed to crazy neocon fp that has taken over the republican party.

Despite all the democratic talk of social programs and republican talk of free markets, neither acts on their promises (minus a handful of examples).

He also likes Obama, in all honestly, how can you not love him; he's smart, knowledgable, has good judgement, world leaders kiss his ass, and he is smooth as the skin of pedobears dreamboys. He makes, Teflon Bubs, Bill Clinton look like a stuttering mess.

LOL - yeah, but you know if you read him he's no fan of Obama either. However, if you wanna see Dem fanboys, all you have to look at is Friedman and Dowd on the NY Times.

 



steven787 said:

George Wills is conservative, but has been endorsing Dems for a while (since 2006?) because the Dems ARE the conservative party. 

In the past 20 years, they have voted for less spending, more freedom, and mix of traditional foreign policy as opposed to crazy neocon fp that has taken over the republican party.

Despite all the democratic talk of social programs and republican talk of free markets, neither acts on their promises (minus a handful of examples).

 

I may disagree with many of the Democrats’ proposed policies, but they at least have some principle and stay true to their platform. They do favor increasing the size of government, but they also seem to prefer balanced budgets. I may disagree with how they balance the budget (increasing taxes instead of spending cuts), but they delivered on their promises and passed the Budget Reduction Act of 93. The Republicans are in dire straits because they abandoned their principles. They now favor an aggressive foreign policy that is detrimental to the US. Since when did advocating torture (McCain did not) and denying prisoners their day in court become sound policies? Why do we preach about small government and less regulation only to flip-flop and increase the size of the government exponentially? When did a balanced budget become cutting taxes whilst increasing spending? When did reducing the government’s role in education become passing the NCLB Act? I am sorry to rant, but the GOP is dead to me and I sometime need to vent about it.



McCain has very little chance of winning the Presidential Campaign. Appointing a redneck, hockey mom in Palin as your VP was a stupid move.



Regarding the state of the economy there is not much the US government can do about it. The $800 billion buying out bad debts by the US Government of companies who caused the economic crisis is regarded by a lot of economic analysts as merely delaying the inevitable, Global economic recession.



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I think people fail to realize McCain isn't asking to cancel the debate. But to do it later when this bill has gone through. Had Obama agreed. There would of been no ploy as both would of stopped their campagins in a joint statement.



Kasz216 said:
I think people fail to realize McCain isn't asking to cancel the debate. But to do it later when this bill has gone through. Had Obama agreed. There would of been no ploy as both would of stopped their campagins in a joint statement.

 

Its a clever ploy isn't it?  "We just want to postpone the presidential debate! Not cancel it!"  They scream from the rooftops.  And then they quietly slip this in:

"McCain supporter Sen. Lindsey Graham tells CNN the McCain campaign is proposing to the Presidential Debate Commission and the Obama camp that if there's no bailout deal by Friday, the first presidential debate should take the place of the VP debate, currently scheduled for next Thursday, October 2 in St. Louis"

Bravo, McCain campaign.  Bravo.



Kasz216 said:
I think people fail to realize McCain isn't asking to cancel the debate. But to do it later when this bill has gone through. Had Obama agreed. There would of been no ploy as both would of stopped their campagins in a joint statement.

My question is why did he not discuss this with Obama when he talked to him RIGHT BEFORE he anounced this about a joint statement? If it was not a ploy they would have. Obama and his campaign had no idea this was coming.

 



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Aiemond said:
Kasz216 said:
I think people fail to realize McCain isn't asking to cancel the debate. But to do it later when this bill has gone through. Had Obama agreed. There would of been no ploy as both would of stopped their campagins in a joint statement.

My question is why did he not discuss this with Obama when he talked to him RIGHT BEFORE he anounced this about a joint statement? If it was not a ploy they would have. Obama and his campaign had no idea this was coming.

 

Exactly.  McCain did not ask Obama to do the same thing.  He just went ahead and did it.

 



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Wait, are you guys actually arguing whether this was a political ploy or not?

It's one month from the election. At this point, everything McCain and Obama do is a political ploy.




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