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The reason licensed games usually fail at storytelling is that they try too hard to port the movie/game/book/whatever that they're based on straight across to the game, and this doesn't work. Gaming is a fundamentally interactive activity, while most media is fundamentally non-interactive, and this changes both the types of stories you can tell well and how best to do it.

To give only one example of how this works, let us examine the concept of game balance. A story like Naruto's has no concept of game balance, and in fact depends on imbalance: everyone's powers are ludicrously over the top, but some are clearly more over the top than others. This makes for good non-interactive storytelling, but it doesn't make for a good game. Game makers realize that a game needs to be balanced, and so they try to shoehorn balance into licensed stories. But this, in turn, should fundamentally alter the way the characters interact with one another, yet often it doesn't and so the story becomes less cohesive. End result: collapse.

This doesn't mean that games cannot be used for storytelling, of course. But games work best at telling a different kind of story than the "cinematic" non-interactive stories we see in movies and TV and books, and frankly they shouldn't try to be telling those types of stories: they just don't work well together. Games work best with a different kind of story, equally valid and just as good but perhaps less bombastic. But this is why licensed games are doomed to fail: to work well, a licensed game needs to tell a different kind of story than the one it is licensing, and that defeats much of the point of licensing in the first place.



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*coughcoughcough* get you're manga numbers right, please. Naruto has not done tha well, worldwide, Naruto has sold around 71mil books (as of Volume 36.) They are currentley at volume 43, so I would expect the sales to be around 90mil.


Naruto,One piece,Bleach,D.Gray man..

These are anime/manga based games.

Second, Naruto is one of the most overrated anime/manga in our days. It's good, I like it, but thats all it is. Good.

One Piece is the series that has sold around 140mil manga so far, becoming Shonen Jump's 3rd best selling series, and one of the world's most selling manga. Sadly, it is not as popular as Naruto in America which makes me angry. Anyways.

The reason why some games don't sell is that many people just don't like anime games. A lot of the time, anime games are just... bad. Some are fun for a little. The only anime game I would say I LOVED was the Ghost in the Shell game for PS2. It's one of my favorite games of all time.

Naruto games, One Piece, etc, games are fun, good, but not amazing.
Some games have really good legs. Check out the Reborn! games. They do really well.

And here is the BIG thing- who writes the manga? The mangaka. Who writes the plot to the game? NOT the mangaka. They are NOT connected to the games. So duh, the anime is great, the manga is awesome, but if it's not made by the same guy (again, the mangaka,) the story is not going to be NEARLY as good.

I am a huge otaku.



Millennium said:
The reason licensed games usually fail at storytelling is that they try too hard to port the movie/game/book/whatever that they're based on straight across to the game, and this doesn't work. Gaming is a fundamentally interactive activity, while most media is fundamentally non-interactive, and this changes both the types of stories you can tell well and how best to do it.

To give only one example of how this works, let us examine the concept of game balance. A story like Naruto's has no concept of game balance, and in fact depends on imbalance: everyone's powers are ludicrously over the top, but some are clearly more over the top than others. This makes for good non-interactive storytelling, but it doesn't make for a good game. Game makers realize that a game needs to be balanced, and so they try to shoehorn balance into licensed stories. But this, in turn, should fundamentally alter the way the characters interact with one another, yet often it doesn't and so the story becomes less cohesive. End result: collapse.

This doesn't mean that games cannot be used for storytelling, of course. But games work best at telling a different kind of story than the "cinematic" non-interactive stories we see in movies and TV and books, and frankly they shouldn't try to be telling those types of stories: they just don't work well together. Games work best with a different kind of story, equally valid and just as good but perhaps less bombastic. But this is why licensed games are doomed to fail: to work well, a licensed game needs to tell a different kind of story than the one it is licensing, and that defeats much of the point of licensing in the first place.

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Phoenix_Wiight said:

*coughcoughcough* get you're manga numbers right, please. Naruto has not done tha well, worldwide, Naruto has sold around 71mil books (as of Volume 36.) They are currentley at volume 43, so I would expect the sales to be around 90mil.


Naruto,One piece,Bleach,D.Gray man..

These are anime/manga based games.

Second, Naruto is one of the most overrated anime/manga in our days. It's good, I like it, but thats all it is. Good.

One Piece is the series that has sold around 140mil manga so far, becoming Shonen Jump's 3rd best selling series, and one of the world's most selling manga. Sadly, it is not as popular as Naruto in America which makes me angry. Anyways.

The reason why some games don't sell is that many people just don't like anime games. A lot of the time, anime games are just... bad. Some are fun for a little. The only anime game I would say I LOVED was the Ghost in the Shell game for PS2. It's one of my favorite games of all time.

Naruto games, One Piece, etc, games are fun, good, but not amazing.
Some games have really good legs. Check out the Reborn! games. They do really well.

And here is the BIG thing- who writes the manga? The mangaka. Who writes the plot to the game? NOT the mangaka. They are NOT connected to the games. So duh, the anime is great, the manga is awesome, but if it's not made by the same guy (again, the mangaka,) the story is not going to be NEARLY as good.

I am a huge otaku.

Hmm I thought so that One piece is more popular,with 515 chapters vs Naruto 417 chapters, but I thought that Naruto would be still more popular..

 

 



 

 

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naruto is more popular than one piece. But i think dragon ball is the most popular.



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Phoenix_Wiight said:

*coughcoughcough* get you're manga numbers right, please. Naruto has not done tha well, worldwide, Naruto has sold around 71mil books (as of Volume 36.) They are currentley at volume 43, so I would expect the sales to be around 90mil.


Naruto,One piece,Bleach,D.Gray man..

These are anime/manga based games.

Second, Naruto is one of the most overrated anime/manga in our days. It's good, I like it, but thats all it is. Good.

One Piece is the series that has sold around 140mil manga so far, becoming Shonen Jump's 3rd best selling series, and one of the world's most selling manga. Sadly, it is not as popular as Naruto in America which makes me angry. Anyways.

The reason why some games don't sell is that many people just don't like anime games. A lot of the time, anime games are just... bad. Some are fun for a little. The only anime game I would say I LOVED was the Ghost in the Shell game for PS2. It's one of my favorite games of all time.

Naruto games, One Piece, etc, games are fun, good, but not amazing.
Some games have really good legs. Check out the Reborn! games. They do really well.

And here is the BIG thing- who writes the manga? The mangaka. Who writes the plot to the game? NOT the mangaka. They are NOT connected to the games. So duh, the anime is great, the manga is awesome, but if it's not made by the same guy (again, the mangaka,) the story is not going to be NEARLY as good.

I am a huge otaku.

 

I agree with you, I think that the Naruto Anime/Manga is good, but that's about it. However, I think you're missing the point here. The reason that Naruto is so popular is that it has a really wide appeal. Starting watching Naruto is EASY. You should be thankful for it, because through it many hardcore manga fans have been born. With time, they learn to appreciate depth and things that are not all beating others up and getting stronger. This means that Naruto is good for the industry. Same thing as with Wii Music/Wii Sports.

I am not so sure about the mangaka being needed for making the story of the game good. I doubt that mangaka's being masters of passive storytelling would excel at interactive storytelling.



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Many anime series fail hard at storytelling in the first place. People are too busy watching the fight scenes and gratuitous hand-gesture shots to notice.

Video games take those fight scenes and give you hours and hours of them. By the time you're done with those you start looking for something deeper and *surprise* find there isn't anything worthwhile left.



@ Killergran

i agree with you, it is definitley a lot moer easy to get into. i got into it before i got into one piece, and its a lot easier to read, or watch, especially for people just getting into the anime/manga world.

@ masterb8tr

Naruto is not more popular than One Piece. In America, yes, it is far more popular, though through recent conventions I've noticed One Piece is making a huge recovery.

Yes, the Dragon Ball series has been the most sucessful manga of all time, as of now.



Let's see if Dragon Ball Origin for DS can change that. XD



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O ye Dragon ball games are most popular.And I think Manga/anime is most popular too..



 

 

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