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steven787 said:

I'm voting for Obama, but I have to agree with Rocket.

This is all BS that can be painted either way.

I'll add that none of this has to do with issues.  If you take out ideology and look at the past behavior, the current plans, and the current situation; right now the most viable and pragmatic party is clear.

Ideology isn't easily put aside, nor should it be, because the guiding principles are important for long term affect.

(Disclaimer: I'm about to show my influence from reading too much Joseph Nye)

The problem is right now, our country is on the verge of economic, international, and structural disaster.  For the past 18 years, the neocons have pushed America into a more divide nation, with more enemies, and a weaker foundation for the economy.  Most of it has to do with international policy and trade at the hands of neoconservatives/state moralist who took over the party's Foreign Policy.

The Realists have to retake control of the party for the good of the country.  McCain is not a Realist.  The Dems are now about half Realist and half liberal/Cosmopolitan (Foreign policy liberalism is different than traditional meaning of the word); any thing is better than the expansionistic Neoconservatives crusading for their brand of "democracy".

This is why I hate the party system. One should be able to run on their own ground without being instantly slapped to the side by the two giant houses of legislation. This may be a republic, elect officials to speak for ourselves, but the people who really would be good for America aren't getting into the spotlight due to them not being within either of the two parties.

Even the people who actually would make a difference from these parties are even ignored and the people who is close to their party's views are the winners of their party's nomination. Obama speaks of change but his ideals and plans are inline with Democrats' viewpoints just as McCain's is the same as the Republicans. People like Ron Paul who are directly in the middle who strongly believe in our country and our founded beliefs are shunned aside for people who basically is more of the same.

The US Citizens want change but really if we want change we aren't electing the correct people who could bring stability and real change to this country.

 



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steven787 said:
ssj12 said:
this presidential race is a load anyways. No matter who wins the people lose. Can we hit the start-over button for the USA please? I want a real American that actually understands the US Citizens, not someone who makes $150k+ a year and stands in front of a podium saying that he knows best when he probably doesn't remember lifting a finger as the common man.

Can we clone George Washington or Ben Franklin or someone and vote for them.

Hell, I'd vote for King Henry III for all I care
. He would make a better president then McCain or Obama.

 

Henry III has 56 years of executive experience.


(Psst: Ben Franklin and George Washington were waaaaaaay richer, relatively speaking, than either Obama or McCain)

 

True, but they both are way better leaders, obviously.



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ssj12 said:
steven787 said:

I'm voting for Obama, but I have to agree with Rocket.

This is all BS that can be painted either way.

I'll add that none of this has to do with issues.  If you take out ideology and look at the past behavior, the current plans, and the current situation; right now the most viable and pragmatic party is clear.

Ideology isn't easily put aside, nor should it be, because the guiding principles are important for long term affect.

(Disclaimer: I'm about to show my influence from reading too much Joseph Nye)

The problem is right now, our country is on the verge of economic, international, and structural disaster.  For the past 18 years, the neocons have pushed America into a more divide nation, with more enemies, and a weaker foundation for the economy.  Most of it has to do with international policy and trade at the hands of neoconservatives/state moralist who took over the party's Foreign Policy.

The Realists have to retake control of the party for the good of the country.  McCain is not a Realist.  The Dems are now about half Realist and half liberal/Cosmopolitan (Foreign policy liberalism is different than traditional meaning of the word); any thing is better than the expansionistic Neoconservatives crusading for their brand of "democracy".

This is why I hate the party system. One should be able to run on their own ground without being instantly slapped to the side by the two giant houses of legislation. This may be a republic, elect officials to speak for ourselves, but the people who really would be good for America aren't getting into the spotlight due to them not being within either of the two parties.

Even the people who actually would make a difference from these parties are even ignored and the people who is close to their party's views are the winners of their party's nomination. Obama speaks of change but his ideals and plans are inline with Democrats' viewpoints just as McCain's is the same as the Republicans. People like Ron Paul who are directly in the middle who strongly believe in our country and our founded beliefs are shunned aside for people who basically is more of the same.

The US Citizens want change but really if we want change we aren't electing the correct people who could bring stability and real change to this country.

 

Ron Paul is extreme right on economics, but other than that,  I agree.

The way our system is setup, I pretty much have to choose between D or R for my vote to count.  R's have given away their party to neocons and wealth retention (as opposed to free markets) so I vote for D's because they are less dangerous right now.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Going to copy Montana's post from another thread:

"Blah blah blah *plops down biased opinion in thread title* blah blah blah.

This is just getting to be trolling and it's inconsiderate of the opinions of others.

Locked."