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Many consider MKWii's online to be a major component of the game.  I don't see why this is any different especially since it is not required by the player to do so.  

As far as the developers focus and what people actually do with the game see my earlier allusion to GTA.  

Infinite lives and many checkpoints are a way of not punishing a user for being bad at the game. Something that limited life systems don't do.

At $199 the 360 has attained a mass market price point in America and Japan and will soon do so in Europe.  (there are 3 versions of 360 and 2 of the PS3) The point in lowering thier price is to appeal to a larger market, and the same with upcoming titles(Lips, LBP etc.)

For that matter I suppose the PS2 was never a mass market console since it launched at $399.  Or despite it's varied library of games (which is what both the PS3 and 360 are quite hastily working torwards).

 



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Veggie said:
You guys are arguing over the dumbest shit I've ever seen. You're arguing over .7% of a difference on a game that doesn't deserve all the high scores it got in the first place. Which makes me sad because I own it.

All I see is, "Wah wah, my console of choice isn't selling as good as the Wii."

 

 LOL I totally agree



Paul_Warren said:
izaaz101 said:
Paul_Warren said:

Okay, I'll use Game Rankings then. Let's see how that works out. Most people here say its more accurate anyway.

1.) Grand Theft Auto IV (PS3) (97.419)
2.) Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) (97.405)
3.) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Wii) (94.271)
4.) Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3) (93.682) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 94.207--The 360 version is the definitive version)
5.) The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (PS3) (93.054) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 93.759--The 360 version is the definitive version)
6.) Super Smash Brothers Brawl (Wii) (92.922)
7.) Metal Gear Solid 4 (PS3) (92.531)
8.) Rock Band (PS3) (91.394) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 92.420--The 360 version is the definitive version)
9.) Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (Wii) (91.128) (Also available on PS2. The PS2 version has a Game Rankings score of 95.649 -- The PS2 version is the definitive one)
10.) Okami (Wii) (90.314) (Also available on PS2. The PS2 version has a Game Rankings score of 92.529. The PS2 version is the definitive one)t
11.) Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (PS3) (89.884)
12.) Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Wii) (89.602)
13.) Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction (PS3) (88.598)
14.) The Orange Box (PS3) (88.548) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 96.264--The 360 version is the definitive version)
15.) Burnout Paradise (PS3) (87.798) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 88.577--The 360 version is the definitive version)
16.) Bionic Commando: Rearmed (PS3) (87.364) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 87.714--The 360 version is the definitive version)
17.) Resistance: Fall of Man (PS3) (86.740)
18.) Ninja Gaiden Sigma (PS3) (86.655)
19.) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Wii) (86.632)
20.) Unreal Tournament 3 (PS3) (86.564)
21.) GRID (PS3) (86.424)
22.) Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (PS3) (86.387)
23.) Madden NFL 09 (PS3) (86.288)
24.) MLB 08: The Show (PS3) (86.242)
25.) Zak and Wiki: Quest for Barbaro's Treasure (Wii) (86.085)
26.) Virtua Fighter 5 (PS3) (86.040) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 89.444--The 360 version is the definitive version)
27.) NHL 08 (PS3) (85.904)
28.) Skate (PS3) (85.893) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 86.443--The 360 version is the definitive version)
29.) Super Stardust HD (PS3) (85.650)
30.) Boom Blox (Wii) (85.320)
31.) Soulcalibur 4 (PS3) (85.140) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 85.307--The 360 version is the definitive version)
32.) Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution (PS3) (85.090)
33.) Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas (PS3) (85.062) (Also availiable on 360. The 360 version has a Game Rankings score of 89.165--The 360 version is the definitive version)
34.) Super Paper Mario (Wii) (85.018)


Well at any rate, I think you can see how poorly this comparison is going for the Wii by this point with 24 of the top 34 games for each system being PS3 games while only 10 are Wii games.

At any rate there are another 20 Wii Games and 44 PS3 games to go before we get down to Wii Sports and its Game Rankings score of 76.562. Including Heavenly Sword which has a quite respectable review score of 80.659 by comparison. There are 23 PS3 games with scores between those of Super Paper Mario and Heavenly Sword and only 7 Wii games in that range.


There are 12 Wii Games and 20 PS3 games that come between Heavenly Sword and Wii Sports with a Game Rankings score of 76.562. It seems like the only thing that you were right about is that Wii Sports has a higher score than Folklore which only has a Game Rankings score of 75.825. There are no Wii Games and 3 PS3 games that have a Game Rankings score between Wii Sports and Folklore.

To put it bluntly, anyone can see from these numbers that the PS3 simply decimates the Wii as far as the number of high quality games for each system goes and that the Wii simply does not deserve to be selling in the numbers that it does.

In conclusion, according to Game Rankings there are 75 PS3 games with a Game Rankings score between 75 and 97.419 (Grand Theft Auto IV the PS3 version which is the highest rated game of this console generation beating out the 360 version by .778 of a point) while there are only 36 Wii games in this range.

 

 

stats from http://gamerankings.com

List updated for completedness. 

 

 

     Well, let's look at that a bit more deeply shall we.

      Grand Theft Auto IV is also on 360.  However, it is the PS3 version that is the highest rated game of this console generation.

     The Orange Box  (PC version's Game Rankings score = 96.306.  It is the definitive version.)(Also, a patch was released for the PS3 version sometime ago that improves the game from its original version that only received an 88.584.  I don't know how much it improves the PS3 version scorewise, but it is supposed to significantly improve the PS3 version.)

     You came up with ten multiconsole games on that list where the 360 versions  have higher Game Rankings' scores than the PS3 version.

Let's see if I can do the same: 

 

Grand Theft Auto IV (PS3) = 97.419 > Grand Theft Auto IV (360) = 96.641.

Ninja Gaiden Sigma (PS3) = 86.655 > Ninja Gaiden 2 (360) = 82.057.

Unreal Tournament 3 (PS3) = 86.564 > Unreal Tournament 3 (360) = 82.525.

GRID (PS3) = 86.424 > GRID (360) = 86.163.

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (PS3) = 86.387 > Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 (360) = 86.057.

Madden NFL 09 (PS3) = 86.288 > Madden NFL 09 (360) = 85.779.

NHL 08 (PS3) = 85.904 > NHL 08 (360) = 84.993

Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution (PS3) = 85.090 > Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution (360) = 84.827

 

 

Looks like you actually got me.  Only 8 of the multiconsole games on that list on PS3 scored higher than on the 360 in comparison to 10 multiconsole games scoring higher on the 360 than on the PS3.  However I did demonstrate two things here.

1.)  GTA IV is better on the PS3 than on the 360.  the only reason to buy the 360 version is for the DLC.  However, as LA Noire recently going cross platform shows and with the PS3 version of GTA IV selling so much better than the 360 version in Europe and Japan, then one can expect that same dlc to also be making its way to the PS3 version of GTA IV in some form.

 

2.)  Most 360 fans say that multi-console games are always better on the 360.  Well 8 versus 10 doesn't equal always.  And the more recent games on the list demonstrate a trend in which the PS3 versions of multi-console games have in fact been better than the 360 versions.  For example, Grand Theft Auto IV, Madden NFL 09, GRID, Sid Meier's Civilization Revolution, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Unreal Tournament 3 (to be honest, I was surprised that Warfighter 2 and UT3 are better on PS3; however, I guess that being able to play these games for free online offsets a bit of the advantage that Live gives with achievements when you consider that you also have to pay $50.00 a year to play games on Live.) and Devil May Cry 4 [DMC 4 (PS3) = 84.057 > DMC 4 (360) = 83.914 narrowing the margin to 9 to 10 which will be altered to 10 to 10 by Eternal Sonata with more on the way like Rage, New Prince of Persia, Mirror's Edge, and Final Fantasy XIII all of which should add to the total number of PS3 multiconsole games that are better than their 360 counterparts ] have all been better on the PS3.

 

Fixed for more completeness.

Not the same game.

This DLC is exclusive. PS3 might get their own exclusive DLC, but the one coming out later this year is exclusive to XBOX 360.

There are more multiplatform games than these ones. There's Tiger Woods 08/09, NCAA Football 09, UEFA Euro 2008, Lego Indiana Jones, NHL 09, Guitar Hero III, The Darkness, Fifa Soccer 08, NBA Street Homecourt, Stranglehold among other games (which all had higher scores on the 360 than their PS3 counterparts). Quite a difference from 10-10. Imagine what I could do if I actually tried searching for more than 5 minutes!



Veggie said:
You guys are arguing over the dumbest shit I've ever seen. You're arguing over .7% of a difference on a game that doesn't deserve all the high scores it got in the first place. Which makes me sad because I own it.

All I see is, "Wah wah, my console of choice isn't selling as good as the Wii."

 

 Hahaha, well put.



You people are out of control



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"Quite a difference from 10-10. Imagine what I could do if I actually tried searching for more than 5 minutes!"

Doesn't matter. All of those other games you mention actually have Game Rankings scores less than 8.5, so they're not worth buying anyway.

Of the multiconsole games in the 8.5 to 10 range ( the group of games that justify their $60.00 purchase price), 10 360 games have higher Game Rankings scores than the PS3 versions and 8 PS3 games have higher Game Rankings scores than the 360 version.

Devil May Cry 4 is a good series, the latest installment is superior to Ninja Gaiden II (granted it is not exactly Itagaki's fault as the 360's not utilizing a high capacity optical disc storage format compromised his vision for the game), and it is an 8.4, so I feel it can be placed in the games worthy of purchase bracket. And the other four games I mentioned earlier will most assuredly receive higher marks on the PS3 than on the 360, and they should all receive Game Rankings scores of 8.5 or higher, so it is only a matter of time before the PS3 multi-console games worthy of purchase do have generally higher scores than the 360 versions of the same games.

It is a fact that totally demolishes an axiom of 360 fans that I so often see repeated on boards.



My most anticipated games:  Whatever Hideo Kojima is going to do next, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Gran Turismo 5, Alan Wake, Wii Sports Resort.  Cave Story Wiiware.

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Cueil said:
You people are out of control

Welcome to VGChartz.

 



GOTY Contestants this year: Dead Space 2, Dark Souls, Tales of Graces f. Everything else can suck it.

Wow, this topic has gotten way off track. If you want to talk about reviews, start your own thread.



FishyJoe said:
Wow, this topic has gotten way off track. If you want to talk about reviews, start your own thread.

All righty then.



nitekrawler1285 said:

Many consider MKWii's online to be a major component of the game.  I don't see why this is any different especially since it is not required by the player to do so.  

As far as the developers focus and what people actually do with the game see my earlier allusion to GTA.  

Infinite lives and many checkpoints are a way of not punishing a user for being bad at the game. Something that limited life systems don't do.

At $199 the 360 has attained a mass market price point in America and Japan and will soon do so in Europe.  (there are 3 versions of 360 and 2 of the PS3) The point in lowering thier price is to appeal to a larger market, and the same with upcoming titles(Lips, LBP etc.)

For that matter I suppose the PS2 was never a mass market console since it launched at $399.  Or despite it's varied library of games (which is what both the PS3 and 360 are quite hastily working torwards).

 

 

okay..bold one..isn't this EXACTLY what Wii music is doing?!

it erases the hassle of presing the right button..just press any button..and play at any speed you like..and any volume!

 

second bold: yes...they work hastily towards it..while nintendo already has the most variety...maybe not as many GAMES but each and every single one diverse... feel free to disagree oh..sorry..Typo..you're not allowed to

 

ah../thread goodnight troller ^_^