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Final-Fan said:
DId you have to quote the WHOLE thing, madskillz?

Nah ... but I needed to add emphasis. Muchas gracias.

 



My Last New Highlights of the day!

2nd former Bush official endorses Obama

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-23-campaign-wrap-thursday_N.htm

President Bush's former press secretary Scott McClellan endorsed Barack Obama on Thursday, becoming the second Bush White House veteran this week to back the Democrat.

McClellan, who wrote a book critical of the Bush administration, said Obama has "the best chance of changing the way Washington works." His comments were made during the taping of a new CNN talk show featuring comedian D.L. Hughley that airs this weekend.

McClellan's announcement comes days after former secretary of State Colin Powell said on Sunday that he would back Obama. McClellan was Bush's chief spokesman from 2003 to 2006 and went to work for his fellow Texan's first presidential campaign in 1999.

Obama and Republican nominee John McCain, meanwhile, invoked Bush and "Joe the Plumber" in their ongoing debate about the economy during separate campaign events.

Obama told backers in Indiana it is "time to turn the page" on Bush-McCain economic policies. McCain traversed central Florida on a "Joe the Plumber Tour," saying the Ohio man is the kind of aspiring business owner who would be hurt by higher taxes under an Obama administration.

Gas Prices today = 1 year ago

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Too bad it's only cheap because demand is down (because jobloss and lack of confidence is affecting how much fuel is used for transportation and shipping).

Sterling and Euro plummet.  Yen Muscles up to 1994 levels

This can be good or bad for the US.  It hurts our exports, but lowers cost of imports.

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I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

steven787 said:
McCain ad has a small business person saying something to the effect of this:

"He want to raise our taxes, he says he understands business but he doesn't. He never had to try and keep the lights on (at a business)."


If you're worried about keeping the lights on then you don't have 250k in profits, so your taxes aren't going up.

Income taxes are paid on profit. The "light bill" is a business cost and isn't taxed.

Republicans love the phrase small business owner so much that I usually include it as a drinking word every time I watch a debate.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

This article really fleshes out why the Republican Party is coming apart at the scene, and looks at the two major camps within the Republican Party:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=00c06f55-a5e0-48fb-a5e1-c3978ba94600

"Whose Side Are You On, Comrade"

WASHINGTON--Conservatives are at each other's throats, and here's what's revealing about how divided they are: The critics of John McCain and the critics of Sarah Palin represent entirely different camps.

Skeptical social conservatives are precisely the people McCain was trying to mollify by picking Palin as his running mate. These include the faithful of the religious right who remember McCain as their enemy in 2000, and parts of the gun crowd who always saw McCain as soft on their issues.

That McCain felt a need to make such an outlandishly risky choice speaks to how insecure his hold was on the core Republican vote. A candidate is supposed to rally the base during the primaries and reach out to the middle at election time. McCain got it backward, and it's hurting him.

A Pew Research Center survey this week found that among political independents, Palin's unfavorable rating has almost doubled since mid-September, from 27 percent to 50 percent. Whatever enthusiasm Palin inspired among conservative ideologues is more than offset by middle-of-the road defections.

Even on the right, she hasn't done the job. In The Washington Post tracking poll released on Thursday, Barack Obama drew 22 percent of the vote from self-described conservatives. That's a seven-point gain on John Kerry's 2004 conservative share.

Yet the pro-Palin right is still impatient with McCain for not being tough enough--as if he has not run one of the most negative campaigns in recent history. This camp believes that if McCain only shouted the names "Bill Ayers" and "Jeremiah Wright" at the top of his lungs, the whole election would turn around.

Then there are those conservatives who see Palin as a "fatal cancer to the Republican Party" (David Brooks), as someone who "doesn't know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin" (Kathleen Parker), as "a symptom and expression of a new vulgarization in American politics" (Peggy Noonan).

These conservatives deserve credit for acknowledging how ill-suited Palin is for high office. But what we see here is a deep split between parts of the conservative elite and much of the rank and file.

For years, many of the elite conservatives were happy to harvest the votes of devout Christians and gun owners by waging a phony class war against "liberal elitists" and "leftist intellectuals." Suddenly, the conservative writers are discovering that the very anti-intellectualism their side courted and encouraged has begun to consume their movement.

The cause of Edmund Burke, Leo Strauss, Robert Nisbet and William F. Buckley Jr. is now in the hands of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity--and Sarah Palin. Reason has been overwhelmed by propaganda, ideas by slogans, learned manifestoes by direct-mail hit pieces.

And then there is George W. Bush. Conservatives once hailed him for creating an enduring majority on behalf of their cause. Now, they cast him as the goat in their story of decline.

The conservative critique of Bush is a familiar rant against his advocacy of big government and huge deficits--now supplemented by a horror over his embrace of actual socialism with the partial nationalization of big banks. And, yes, a fair number of conservatives were never wild about the adventure in Iraq.

Things are so bad that the internecine warriors on the right have begun copying the rhetoric of the old left. In a Washington Times column this week upbraiding dissidents such as Brooks and Noonan, Tony Blankley, the conservative writer and activist, fell back on an old left slogan, asking them: "Whose side are you on, comrade?"

This is a revelatory question. It arises when a movement has lost its sense of solidarity and purpose, when the "sides" are no longer clear. There is no unified "right" or "center-right," which is why we are no longer a conservative country, if we ever were.

Conservatism has finally crashed on problems for which its doctrines offered no solutions (the economic crisis foremost among them, thus Bush's apostasy) and on its refusal to acknowledge that the "real America" is more diverse, pragmatic and culturally moderate than the place described in Palin's speeches or imagined by the right-wing talk show hosts.

Conservatives came to believe that if they repeated phrases such as "Joe the Plumber" often enough, they could persuade working-class voters that policies tilted heavily in favor of the very privileged were actually designed with Joe in mind.

It isn't working anymore. No wonder conservatives are turning on each other so ferociously.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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 Here's todays recent state polling. Very interesting to look at (from 538, thanks Nate).

The average of the national polls is overwhelmingly close to 8% for Obama. The state votes are massively in favor of Obama winning the Electoral Vote.  I guess we should see some movement in the PA polls since that is were McCain is making his last stand but I don't see how he wins in a state that has consistenly been holding steady ABOVE the national average. Here in Colorado I've been getting many robo-calls, all negative and approved by or endorsing McCain. OTOH, if I watch TV, I see an Obama commercial at almost every break, talking about taxes, healthcare and education. But of course, there can always be surprises, both good and bad so we'll just have to wait and see how this plays out on Nov.4th.



New poll has Obama up by one in Georgia... wow.



http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/24/voting.problems/index.html

Here's a hint:

 



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I love James Carville. I love him so much that I would father his child if he weren't married to Mary Matlin. There's so much to love about that man.

Two Democratic pollsters and strategists predicted Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) will win the presidential election in a landslide, and that there will be no Republican infrastructure left standing after Election Day.

“There’s basically going to be nothing left standing,” strategist James Carville said Friday.

Carville and pollster Stan Greenberg, talking to reporters at a breakfast hosted by The Christian Science Monitor, said Republicans are poised to not just lose an election, but lose a generation as well.

-source



The polls are now indicating (and have been over the last month) that the Republicans are looking very likely to lose 20 - 30 seats in the House of Representatives and 3 - 7 seats in the Senate. This looks increasingly likely as we move closer to election day regardless of who wins the presidency.

As Obama's numbers have improved over the last month the numbers for the other Democrats seeking national office have improved as well. So it would appear that the improved numbers for Obama might be providing a coat tails type effect.