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fkusumot said:

The economy is irrelevant compared with religious identity. What this campaign may be doing is stripping most secular Republicans and independents from the GOP coalition. We could be left with a purely sectarian-Christianist rump, which will control the GOP for a generation. And McCain will have distilled Rove's religious coalition in eight weeks more effectively than Bush in eight years!

What we may be seeing is all the dangerous trends I identified in "The Conservative Soul: Fundamentalism, Freedom and the Future Of The Right" being brought to faster and more potent fruition by the combination of an economic crisis, a black Democratic candidate and a far-right Christianist unknown like Palin. It is as if the McCain-Palin campaign is acting as a purgative of moderate or centrist Republicanism in this atmosphere. What this could portend is that the GOP could become reduced to a George Wallace rump - even more than it now is. And from that scorched piece of earth, it will be much harder to recover in the short or medium run. Source

God help us all if the Republican Party manages to come back into power stripped of everything but is sectarian Christian philosophies...that will be a horrifying sight.

I don't hate the Republican Party, I just hate the Religious Right.  If Republicans would act more like Libertarians I would be much more open to what they had to say.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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The only thing that's held the Republican party together this long IMO is the hatred of Democrats, and Fox. Perhaps a third party will arise. It's about time we had one that lasted.

On a related note, who here isn't in favor of runoff elections?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting#Is_IRV_better_than_other_winner-take-all_systems.3F



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The old right bloc has been alienated by the Christian right. Their odd fusion of dominionism and using the US as a tool for their eschatology is unattractive. I would rather support Obama and the Democrats than the Christian right. Al Sharpton says it best, "it is high time for the Christian right to meet the right Christians."



akuma587 said:
fkusumot said:

The economy is irrelevant compared with religious identity. What this campaign may be doing is stripping most secular Republicans and independents from the GOP coalition. We could be left with a purely sectarian-Christianist rump, which will control the GOP for a generation. And McCain will have distilled Rove's religious coalition in eight weeks more effectively than Bush in eight years!

What we may be seeing is all the dangerous trends I identified in "The Conservative Soul: Fundamentalism, Freedom and the Future Of The Right" being brought to faster and more potent fruition by the combination of an economic crisis, a black Democratic candidate and a far-right Christianist unknown like Palin. It is as if the McCain-Palin campaign is acting as a purgative of moderate or centrist Republicanism in this atmosphere. What this could portend is that the GOP could become reduced to a George Wallace rump - even more than it now is. And from that scorched piece of earth, it will be much harder to recover in the short or medium run. Source

God help us all if the Republican Party manages to come back into power stripped of everything but is sectarian Christian philosophies...that will be a horrifying sight.

I don't hate the Republican Party, I just hate the Religious Right. If Republicans would act more like Libertarians I would be much more open to what they had to say.

 

This is one of the major reasons I no longer lean in the republican direction.

 



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Obama/Biden 277

 

McCain/Palin 158

 

Toss Up 103

 

Ohio (20) 48.9 45.4 Obama +3.5 Toss Up Bush +2.1 Bush +3.5
Florida (27) 48.5 45.4 Obama +3.1 Toss Up Bush +5.0 Bush +0.1
Nevada (5) 49.6 46.6 Obama +3.0 Toss Up Bush +2.6 Bush +3.5
North Carolina (15) 48.4 46.6 Obama +1.8 Toss Up Bush +12.4 Bush +12.8
Missouri (11) 47.4 47.8 McCain +0.4 Toss Up Bush +7.2 Bush +3.3
Indiana (11) 45.0 48.8 McCain +3.8 Toss Up Bush +20.7 Bush +15.7
Colorado (9) 49.3 45.3 Obama +4.0 Toss Up Bush +4.7 Bush +8.4
West Virginia (5) 44.3 46.5 McCain +2.2 Toss Up Bush +12.9 Bush +6.3

 

277 with out FL and OH...

 



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Jackson50 said:
The old right bloc has been alienated by the Christian right. Their odd fusion of dominionism and using the US as a tool for their eschatology is unattractive. I would rather support Obama and the Democrats than the Christian right. Al Sharpton says it best, "it is high time for the Christian right to meet the right Christians."

Beautiful use of "Word Power Made Easy". I really mean that, just beautiful.



steven787 said:

Obama/Biden 277

 

McCain/Palin 158

 

Toss Up 103

 

Ohio (20) 48.9 45.4 Obama +3.5 Toss Up Bush +2.1 Bush +3.5
Florida (27) 48.5 45.4 Obama +3.1 Toss Up Bush +5.0 Bush +0.1
Nevada (5) 49.6 46.6 Obama +3.0 Toss Up Bush +2.6 Bush +3.5
North Carolina (15) 48.4 46.6 Obama +1.8 Toss Up Bush +12.4 Bush +12.8
Missouri (11) 47.4 47.8 McCain +0.4 Toss Up Bush +7.2 Bush +3.3
Indiana (11) 45.0 48.8 McCain +3.8 Toss Up Bush +20.7 Bush +15.7
Colorado (9) 49.3 45.3 Obama +4.0 Toss Up Bush +4.7 Bush +8.4
West Virginia (5) 44.3 46.5 McCain +2.2 Toss Up Bush +12.9 Bush +6.3

 

277 with out FL and OH...

 

That is the definition of ownage.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

I'm not ready to believe that WV poll, but Palin is doing a bus tour there, so maybe the McCain internals are saying it is in trouble too?



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The thing about Palin campaigning is... she rallies the Democratic base just as much as she rallies the Republican base, if not more so.



akuma587 said:
steven787 said:

Obama/Biden 277

 

McCain/Palin 158

 

Toss Up 103

 

Ohio (20) 48.9 45.4 Obama +3.5 Toss Up Bush +2.1 Bush +3.5
Florida (27) 48.5 45.4 Obama +3.1 Toss Up Bush +5.0 Bush +0.1
Nevada (5) 49.6 46.6 Obama +3.0 Toss Up Bush +2.6 Bush +3.5
North Carolina (15) 48.4 46.6 Obama +1.8 Toss Up Bush +12.4 Bush +12.8
Missouri (11) 47.4 47.8 McCain +0.4 Toss Up Bush +7.2 Bush +3.3
Indiana (11) 45.0 48.8 McCain +3.8 Toss Up Bush +20.7 Bush +15.7
Colorado (9) 49.3 45.3 Obama +4.0 Toss Up Bush +4.7 Bush +8.4
West Virginia (5) 44.3 46.5 McCain +2.2 Toss Up Bush +12.9 Bush +6.3

 

277 with out FL and OH...

 

That is the definition of ownage.

 

 

Don't get too excited yet.  We still have to show up.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.