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We're supposed to change the Constitution. It's not perfect. In fact, it's so imperfect that they wrote 10 amendments in only 2 years, and ratified all 10 of them in 2 more years. Am I supposed to hate the Bill of Rights and call the founding fathers Constitution-changing communists or something? The whole point of this government was to have a Constitution constructed specifically for the purpose of evolving with the people so we don't need to overthrow it whenever it's too old and stupid for us.

The founding fathers were slave-owning sexist assholes, but they made a Constitution that was better than them. They gave it the power to change, so that some day blacks could be 100% of a person instead of 60%, and that women could vote some day. It wasn't perfect then, and it's not perfect now. But it CAN get better, and that's why it's awesome.



Oh, and give me one example where Obama says he wants the American working class to own the means of production plzmkthnxbai.



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Obama Citizenship (even if born in kenya):

http://law.onecle.com/uscode/8/1401.html

(g) "a person born outside the geographical limits of the United
States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an
alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to
the birth of such person, was physically present in the United
States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods
totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were
after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any
periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United
States, or periods of employment with the United States
Government or with an international organization as that term is
defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any
periods during which such citizen parent is physically present
abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of
the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed
Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States
Government or an international organization as defined in section
288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the
physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso
shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24,
1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its
present form on that date"

The provided part basically says that military service counts as "being in the US" for this exception



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Halogamer does seem to be on to something. Capitalism has failed and the only viable system left, Marxism, is the inevitable winner. Congress and the President conceded the battle this week. Personally I think the oil industry might be next on the list to be nationalized.


Sweet, I was waiting to grow facial hair until we all became Marxists. Look out Stalin, I'm about to steal your 'stache!



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As of October 5th, 2008.

Obama: 329 (-9)

McCain: 194 (+9)

Tie: 15 (nc)

  • Colorado has went from slightly Obama to slightly McCain.
  • Minnesota went from weak Obama to strong Obama.

The webmaster at electoral-vote also brings us this graph, courtesy of a site called openleft.com.

According the webmaster at openleft.com:

Today is the first time Barack Obama has reached or surpassed the 50-point mark, also. The lead is a record 8.25 points, also. McCain is also at his all-time low at 42 points, too.

As I "argued" yesterday, McCain's campaign has the look of a sinking ship. Many countered with caution. We've seen Obama take leads before and then give them up. And many of us bear the emotional scars of 2000 and 2004 and have been unwilling to get excited too early. But:

1. Gore or Kerry never had a lead like this. And certainly they never had a sustained and sizable lead like this.

2. It's October. The post-convention period is exactly when moves like this by one candidate or the other usually take place. Waffling voters are now choosing sides.

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Interesting numbers, that's for sure.



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electoral-vote.com definitely jumps around too much imo.



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This site has an excellent track record on predictions on election day. It got every single prediction in the senate races in 06 correct, and in 04, the only states he did not predict correctly were Iowa and Wisconsin, which went to their respective winners by less than 2%.




Karl Rove calls the race for Obama:

"39 new state polls released in the first three days of October have given Barack Obama his first lead over the magic number of 270 since mid-July. Minnesota (10 EV) and New Hampshire (4 EV) both moved from toss-up to Obama, giving him 273 electoral votes to McCain’s 163, with 102 votes remaining as a toss-up. If the election were held today, Obama would win every state John Kerry won in 2004, while adding New Mexico (5 EV), Iowa (7 EV), and Colorado (9 EV) to his coalition."



Sam Yikin said:
electoral-vote.com definitely jumps around too much imo.

jumps around?  How do you figure?  I've only been updating the chart every few days because it doesn't jump around at all.

 



Karl Rove has spoken!




This is what RCP has to say about Colorado by the way:

RCP Average 09/19 - 10/01 -- 47.6 44.6 Obama +3.0

Denver Post 09/29 - 10/01 625 LV 44 44 Tie
FOX News/Rasmussen 09/28 - 09/28 500 LV 49 48 Obama +1
InAdv/PollPosition 09/23 - 09/23 505 LV 50 41 Obama +9
CNN/Time 09/21 - 09/23 794 LV 51 47 Obama +4
Ciruli Assoc. 09/19 - 09/23 501 LV 44 43 Obama +1



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