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akuma587 on 04 October 2008
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
@Happy. That is the stupidest thing I have heard. A more reasonable argument would be the people who say they will vote for Obama won't vote at all because they are younger and us young 'uns are lazy little buggers.

Except that the pattern of a visable minority candidate's support being far below their polling numbers has been noticed in several countries around the world in several elections ... In other words, it is not isolated to Obama. Because most elections are (really) not that close, it hasn't decided the outcome of too many elections; but in an election this close if 5% of Obama supporters voted for McCain this would certainly give McCain a very solid victory.

 

You didn't even mention this a minute ago.  This is at least SOMETHING to go off rather than just random speculation about people's intentions.

 



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The Ghost of RubangB on 04 October 2008
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
@Happy. That is the stupidest thing I have heard. A more reasonable argument would be the people who say they will vote for Obama won't vote at all because they are younger and us young 'uns are lazy little buggers.

Except that the pattern of a visable minority candidate's support being far below their polling numbers has been noticed in several countries around the world in several elections ... In other words, it is not isolated to Obama. Because most elections are (really) not that close, it hasn't decided the outcome of too many elections; but in an election this close if 5% of Obama supporters voted for McCain this would certainly give McCain a very solid victory.

 

The Ghost of RubangB said:


McCain needs both Ohio and Florida to win, but is behind in both. Obama doesn't need either of them, but is leading in both.

I really don't see a scenario in which McCain wins. Unless they have body transplants and Obama dies of old age next week.

At the moment, the thing I think is hurting McCain the most is the collapse of the credit markets and the $700 Billion bail-out package ... In 4 weeks it will not be that fresh in people's mind, and all that it would take to get McCain to win would be a moderate mistake or "scandal" for Obama days before the election.

 

Shitloads of people are losing their jobs right now, and getting denied loans, and losing money in the stock market.  They won't be forgetting this in 4 weeks.

 



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Jackson50 on 04 October 2008

I resigned myself to the thought of Obama winning the election months ago. It warms my heart knowing we are going to have another Republicrat administration.



Aiemond on 04 October 2008
HappySqurriel said:
Rath said:
@Happy. That is the stupidest thing I have heard. A more reasonable argument would be the people who say they will vote for Obama won't vote at all because they are younger and us young 'uns are lazy little buggers.

Except that the pattern of a visable minority candidate's support being far below their polling numbers has been noticed in several countries around the world in several elections ... In other words, it is not isolated to Obama. Because most elections are (really) not that close, it hasn't decided the outcome of too many elections; but in an election this close if 5% of Obama supporters voted for McCain this would certainly give McCain a very solid victory.


The Ghost of RubangB said:


McCain needs both Ohio and Florida to win, but is behind in both. Obama doesn't need either of them, but is leading in both.

I really don't see a scenario in which McCain wins. Unless they have body transplants and Obama dies of old age next week.

At the moment, the thing I think is hurting McCain the most is the collapse of the credit markets and the $700 Billion bail-out package ... In 4 weeks it will not be that fresh in people's mind, and all that it would take to get McCain to win would be a moderate mistake or "scandal" for Obama days before the election.


The problem with this is that the October job losses will be reported right before the election, this will not bode well for McCain.

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akuma587 on 04 October 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:

 

Shitloads of people are losing their jobs right now, and getting denied loans, and losing money in the stock market.  They won't be forgetting this in 4 weeks.

 

Indeed, people have the fear that the struggling economy will begin to affect them if it hasn't already, and fear tends to stick around in the average voter's mind longer than just about any other emotion.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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HappySqurriel on 05 October 2008
akuma587 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
 

 

Shitloads of people are losing their jobs right now, and getting denied loans, and losing money in the stock market.  They won't be forgetting this in 4 weeks.

 

Indeed, people have the fear that the struggling economy will begin to affect them if it hasn't already, and fear tends to stick around in the average voter's mind longer than just about any other emotion.

 

First off, its not about forgetting or losing all fear of something that I'm talking about ... What I'm refering to is how things (quite rapidly) lose their impact down the road. Much like grief, people will encounter a variety of emotions when something happens in their personal lives or in society in general. How important something seems, and how that makes them feel, may be very different for most people today as compared to a month from now.



The_vagabond7 on 05 October 2008

Don't forget that the McCain camp just outted him as a terrorist, that's gotta hurt his electoral possibilities. I think 'merica's fightin terrorists right now, not electin' em mam.



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Aiemond on 05 October 2008

Depends on how well it sticks. This guy has been talked about before. Plus, Obama's not a terrorist. He was on a board with a college professor (who was an anti war terrorist in the 60s). Its not like its generally known he was a terrorist. Not something you tell to a general acquaintance.

Edit: and if we are going to make that strick, all Obama has to bring up is the Keating five.

 

"McCain became enmeshed in a scandal during the 1980s as one of five United States Senators comprising the so-called "Keating Five".[89] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in lawful[90] political contributions from Charles Keating Jr. and his associates at Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, along with trips on Keating's jets[89] that McCain belatedly repaid two years later.[91] In 1987, McCain was one of the five senators from whom Keating contacted in order to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln, and McCain met twice with federal regulators to discuss the government's investigation of Lincoln"

From wikipedia. He was aquited, but if you are going to play "association" games, McCain is just as "dirty". And this is about economics, it will stick much more than the one on Obama.



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akuma587 on 05 October 2008
The_vagabond7 said:
Don't forget that the McCain camp just outted him as a terrorist, that's gotta hurt his electoral possibilities. I think 'merica's fightin terrorists right now, not electin' em mam.

Ya dam right, son.  We ain't electin no godam terrists while ive stell got kids to put thru schoolin' and a white womin at home who dey gunna rape if we dont stop 'em!

Me and vagabond kickin' it.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 on 05 October 2008
Aiemond said:

Depends on how well it sticks. This guy has been talked about before. Plus, Obama's not a terrorist. He was on a board with a college professor (who was an anti war terrorist in the 60s). Its not like its generally known he was a terrorist. Not something you tell to a general acquaintance.

Edit: and if we are going to make that strick, all Obama has to bring up is the Keating five.

 

"McCain became enmeshed in a scandal during the 1980s as one of five United States Senators comprising the so-called "Keating Five".[89] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in lawful[90] political contributions from Charles Keating Jr. and his associates at Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, along with trips on Keating's jets[89] that McCain belatedly repaid two years later.[91] In 1987, McCain was one of the five senators from whom Keating contacted in order to prevent the government's seizure of Lincoln, and McCain met twice with federal regulators to discuss the government's investigation of Lincoln"

From wikipedia. He was aquited, but if you are going to play "association" games, McCain is just as "dirty". And this is about economics, it will stick much more than the one on Obama.

Or Jack Abramoff...one of the worst lobbyists in history.

 

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson