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Jackson50 on 28 September 2008
super_etecoon said:
Jackson50 said:
McCain will win most, if not all, of the barely Republican states. Whether it is FL, MO, or NC does not matter. McCain will win in those states. What this does portend, however, is that Obama could win the popular vote but also lose the EC vote.

What?  McCain is "winning" those states right now.....and is losing.

So what others is he going to pick up that will make him a lock for the electoral vote?

 

 

 

I never said McCain was a lock for the EC vote. I said he would win most of the barely Republican states. Which, according to that particular map, are the states of FL, NC, IN and a few others. I believe he will win all of them. If he wins those states and OH, VA and CO by small margins, which is a distinct possibility, then McCain could win the EC vote but lose the popular vote.  



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super_etecoon on 28 September 2008
Jackson50 said:
super_etecoon said:
Jackson50 said:
McCain will win most, if not all, of the barely Republican states. Whether it is FL, MO, or NC does not matter. McCain will win in those states. What this does portend, however, is that Obama could win the popular vote but also lose the EC vote.

What?  McCain is "winning" those states right now.....and is losing.

So what others is he going to pick up that will make him a lock for the electoral vote?

 

 

 

I never said McCain was a lock for the EC vote. I said he would win most of the barely Republican states. Which, according to that particular map, are the states of FL, NC, IN and a few others. I believe he will win all of them. If he wins those states and OH, VA and CO by small margins, which is a distinct possibility, then McCain could win the EC vote but lose the popular vote.  

Gotcha.

It wouldn't be the first time a candidate did that.  Gore got the popular....but lost in 2000.  We're used to being the majority losers.

 



super_etecoon on 28 September 2008

btw...this is from the votemaster at electoral-vote.com in response to who won the debate.

Obama and McCain Claim Victory in the Debate

Both John McCain and Barack Obama claimed victory in Friday's debate and are running ads touting their respective triumphs. Polling data suggests otherwise. A CBS poll using random sampling showed 39% saw Obama as the winner and 24% see McCain as the winner. An Inside Advantage poll reported a virtual tie, with 42% saying Obama won and 41% saying McCain won. An Opinion Research poll done for CNN gave Obama the win, 51% to 38%, with men splitting evenly and women going for Obama 2 to 1. However, the sample had a slight Democratic bias.

A poll on CNN's Website with 80,500 respondents gave Obama the victory 67% to 28%. An NBC survey, which drew 291,000 responses gave the victory to Obama 51% to 35%. Democracy Corps ran a 45-person focus group in St. Louis. The group was heavily tilted towards the Republicans, with 33% identifying as Republicans, 27% identifying as Democrats, and the rest independents. The group as a whole voted for Bush over Kerry by a 2-to-1 margin in 2004. Nevertheless, by a 38% to 27% margin, they felt that Obama won the debate.

All in all, Obama did what he had to do. He convinced a majority of the voters that he can handle foreign affairs at least as well as McCain, maybe better. All he really needed was a tie, because virtually every poll has shown that large majorities support Obama on domestic issues.

If you prefer spin to facts, that is also available. Both sides have it in oversupply. Obama: McCain is out of touch. McCain: Obama is not ready to be commander-in-chief.

The next debate is on Oct. 2 at Washington University in St. Louis between Vice-Presidential candidates Joe Biden and Sarah Palin.

 



akuma587 on 28 September 2008

Damn, Virginia is looking like it will be a very important state this time around.

Virginia, Colorado, and Ohio are THE states to watch, IMO.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Jackson50 on 28 September 2008
akuma587 said:
Damn, Virginia is looking like it will be a very important state this time around.

Virginia, Colorado, and Ohio are THE states to watch, IMO.

 

How many times have I said that, Akuma? Quit plagiarizing my projections!



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akuma587 on 28 September 2008
Jackson50 said:
akuma587 said:
Damn, Virginia is looking like it will be a very important state this time around.

Virginia, Colorado, and Ohio are THE states to watch, IMO.

 

How many times have I said that, Akuma? Quit plagiarizing my projections!

What are you going to do about it if I don't stop?

Maybe I'll just make some outlandish ones to make you feel better.

Bill Clinton on the night of the election will bite off Sarah Palin's ear.  You heard it here first.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

fkusumot on 28 September 2008

I watch Colorado all the time.

The scenario with Obama winning the popular vote whilst losing in the EC is almost impossible. Elian would have to personally endorse Obama and name his first child after him.

The scenario with McCain winning the popular vote whilst losing in the EC is about a 1 in 10 chance.


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Jackson50 on 28 September 2008
akuma587 said:
Jackson50 said:
akuma587 said:
Damn, Virginia is looking like it will be a very important state this time around.

Virginia, Colorado, and Ohio are THE states to watch, IMO.

 

How many times have I said that, Akuma? Quit plagiarizing my projections!

What are you going to do about it if I don't stop?

Maybe I'll just make some outlandish ones to make you feel better.

Bill Clinton on the night of the election will bite off Sarah Palin's ear.  You heard it here first.

 

If that prediction comes true, I will run up and down I-75 nude.

 



Jackson50 on 28 September 2008
fkusumot said:

I watch Colorado all the time.

The scenario with Obama winning the popular vote whilst losing in the EC is almost impossible. Elian would have to personally endorse Obama and name his first child after him.

The scenario with McCain winning the popular vote whilst losing in the EC is about a 1 in 10 chance.

 

It is not imossible. Obama is going to win by large margins in many populous states (NY, CA and IL to name a few). If McCain wins by small margins in states that are usually strong Republican (VA, CO, NC and a few others), he will win the EC vote and lose the popular vote. I am not saying it is likely to happen, but it is not implausible.



fkusumot on 28 September 2008
Jackson50 said:
fkusumot said:
almost impossible

I am not saying it is likely to happen, but it is not implausible.

If it's not implausible then what is it?

McCain is going to win by equally huge margins in states with medium to large size populations. Texas, Alabama, Louisiana, Kentucky, Arkansas, Georgia and the crown jewel of the south, South Carolina.



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