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Final-Fan said:
halogamer1989 said:
akuma587 said:
I'm still not totally sure what the Fairness Doctrine is.
The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that required the holders of broadcast licenses to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced. The United States Supreme Court has upheld the Commission's general right to enforce such a policy where channels are limited, but the courts have generally not considered that the FCC is obliged to do so.[1] The FCC has since withdrawn the Fairness Doctrine, prompting some to urge its reintroduction through either Commission policy or Congressional legislation.[2]

It means "stifling consent" as Jack Kennedy put it and would weaken our position in talk radio and outreach.  The FCC should not interfere with people's right to free speech no matter how fair they want to make it.  Let the broadcasters decide and not the overextensive gov't.

I appreciate your concern that a reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine would hurt conservative talk radio, but the airwaves belong to the people of the United States.  They, in the form of the government, choose to allow certain private enterprises to use pieces of it, but that is a privilege of those enterprises, not a right.  At least, according to the Supreme Court of the United States.  [edit:  If the Fairness Doctrine was actually proven to be detrimental to free speech, there'd be something to hold against it...]

P.S.  "It did not require equal time for opposing views, but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented."  (from the same Wikipedia article you quote)

P.P.S.  I don't know what you mean by "stifling consent".  Source?

I meant stifle dissent--in the form of supplanting GOP radio with leftist agendas--this is one of Pelosi's goals.

 



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Wow, Obama actually looks like he will win Indiana too by the hair on his chinny, chin, chin (Thanks Bob Barr!). His electoral lead is going to be bigger than just about any analyst predicted...



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Yes, Bob Barr won 1.1% of the vote in Indiana. This is hitherto his largest percentage out of the 50 states.



akuma587 said:
Wow, Obama actually looks like he will win Indiana too by the hair on his chinny, chin, chin (Thanks Bob Barr!). His electoral lead is going to be bigger than just about any analyst predicted...

Dude, it's a freakin' landslide. My dad called it - wow ... just wow!

 



halogamer1989 said:

I meant stifle dissent--in the form of supplanting GOP radio with leftist agendas--this is one of Pelosi's goals.

And Obama supports it? Also, where does Pelosi say it's one of her goals?



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halogamer1989 said:
Final-Fan said:
halogamer1989 said:
akuma587 said:
I'm still not totally sure what the Fairness Doctrine is.
The Fairness Doctrine was a policy of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) that required the holders of broadcast licenses to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced. The United States Supreme Court has upheld the Commission's general right to enforce such a policy where channels are limited, but the courts have generally not considered that the FCC is obliged to do so.[1] The FCC has since withdrawn the Fairness Doctrine, prompting some to urge its reintroduction through either Commission policy or Congressional legislation.[2]

It means "stifling consent" as Jack Kennedy put it and would weaken our position in talk radio and outreach.  The FCC should not interfere with people's right to free speech no matter how fair they want to make it.  Let the broadcasters decide and not the overextensive gov't.

I appreciate your concern that a reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine would hurt conservative talk radio, but the airwaves belong to the people of the United States.  They, in the form of the government, choose to allow certain private enterprises to use pieces of it, but that is a privilege of those enterprises, not a right.  At least, according to the Supreme Court of the United States.  [edit:  If the Fairness Doctrine was actually proven to be detrimental to free speech, there'd be something to hold against it...]

P.S.  "It did not require equal time for opposing views, but required that contrasting viewpoints be presented."  (from the same Wikipedia article you quote)

P.P.S.  I don't know what you mean by "stifling consent".  Source?

I meant stifle dissent--in the form of supplanting GOP radio with leftist agendas--this is one of Pelosi's goals.

I see you missed my postscript ... the one immediately above what you bolded. 

As for that being "one of Pelosi's goals", I'm afraid I now have to insist that you respond to my previous post.  (Since, as I suspected earlier, you are now fully in Step 1 and presumably moving in on Step 2.)



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@ halogamer1989:  Reposted for your convenience: 

halogamer1989 said:
Final-Fan said:
I know that most of us had already presumed halogamer's modus operandi, but at this point I'm willing to submit an actual hypothesis based on experimental evidence in the thread so far:

Halogamer1989 will
1. Make wild allegations
2. Defend them
3. In the face of strong contrary arguments/evidence,
3.1. Only respond to one or two points, usually tangents he's brought in which distract form the main argument, often avoiding specific questions of fact (which are easier to prove wrong); and/or

I "disappear" b/c I have work to do.  Don't you?
3.2. Make the "appeal to authority" fallacy; or
3.3. Change the subject (can be considered the extreme form of (3.1))

Give me an example.
4. Disappear for a little while (for the heat to die down); and/or

Again I am not a louse, I am busy.
4.1. Claim he never intended to get drawn into an argument and just wants to peacefully spread the good word (so can we all please stop talking about contrary evidence)

I try as hard as I can to appease liberal pussies.
5. See (1)

Well, I presume you mean an example of 3.2 or 3.3. 

3.2:  See this post and its predecessors.  I challenged you on some specifics about McCain's plan and why you thought it was better than Obama's, and you had NO rebuttal except to give me some campaign phone numbers and a link to the McCain website which (AFAIK, and I looked around) had NO specific information on point. 

More recently, in your response to this post, you chose not to address the main thrust of the post at all but one of the smaller points, and then you immediately proceeded to change the subject from the USA PATRIOT Act specifically to the topic of torture.  (AFAIK the main concern with the act under discussion is the extreme expansion of clandestine search and seizure, not torture.  I could be wrong, so I can't be sure if this is absolutely a (3.3) or just a rapid succession of multiple (3.1)s.)

3.3:  Then you said "I changed my mind and I just do not want to waste time with arguments!" (4.1) and yet you had time to post random newspaper articles that gave no new information on point.  THEN, when I challenged you on the pointlessness of what you did, you went off on a tangent of where you got the article (your campaign email) and, when I expressed befuddlement at the purpose of your revelation, proceeded to copy/paste the entire gigantic email.  If that's not an example of changing the subject, then I would like to know just what the hell would qualify. 

For another example of (3.3), see your response to (3.1).  Your response had NOTHING to do with (3.1) and was actually a duplicate response to (4)! 

Speaking of which:  your response to (4) would make a lot more sense if you were just gone some of the time.  But no, when you come back you often pretend that none of the prior posts IN THE SAME THREAD ever happened.  Either you have the attention span of a small child or you're fleeing losing battles.  And even ignoring that wouldn't explain the times you continued to post but still completely abandoned the conversation. 

Oh, and through it all, I could at least say that you mainly refrained from ad hominem attacks against the people you debated (although you didn't apparently feel the need to exercise the same restraint concerning the Democratic candidates).  Now I see that's gone out the window.  Also, you're an appeaser!  I never would have guessed. 

P.S.  Just before I posted this, I was double-checking some stuff and noticed that you seem to be banned.  I'm sure that when you come back you'll address my rebuttal instead of pretending it never happened. 



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God damn it, Bachmann won.... oh well, at least Dole lost.



So has Al Franken won or not? Last I heard it was insanely close.



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Serves me right for challenging his sales predictions!

Bet with dsisister44: Red Steel 2 will sell 1 million within it's first 365 days of sales.

halogamer1989 said:
Final-Fan said:
I'm curious, halogamer1989: how big do you think a "suitcase nuke" is?
It is a suitcase and I am not an ass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suitcase_nuke
Both the United States and the Soviet Union have acknowledged producing nuclear weapons small enough to be carried in specially-designed backpacks during the Cold War, but neither have ever made public the existence or development of weapons small enough to fit into a normal-sized suitcase or briefcase.



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