| DMeisterJ said: I live in Delaware though. We know Obama will win, so why should I vote? |
Because you're a bad person if you don't vote. Civic duty and all that. IMHO not voting is unpatriotic.
Voting = Serious Business
madskillz said:
FOX IS biased. It is the GOP's network. MSNBC has it both ways - Joe Scarborough isn't left, nor is Pat Buchanan. But FOX - they have an agenda. MSNBC calls things the way things are. Look at this clip: via MSNBC
Sure, Chris Matthews called up this clown, but he calls out GOPers shoveling BS. In journalism circles, FOX is a laughinstock. No one talks them seriously.
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There's hundreds of examples of Mathews, Cooper, King, Brokaw, etc. O'reilly and Hannity on the other hand do not do this on regular basis; and it's usually only with people who are going against the party line.
But it goes deeper. The Anchors of their regular news casts lead the viewer too much (snide comments about politics, chuckles, etc.), they shouldn't do that.
Even Chris Wallace of Fox News Sunday thinks it is too biased sometimes. He used to be outspoken about it, but then was told by execs to stop. All this is in the interview below.
An admittedly biased site, but it is an interview where he answers in his own words. http://www.observer.com/2008/fox-frenemies
I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.
madskillz said:
Are you saying that 8 years of Republican rule isn't the cause of this mess? Please, get a clue. Clinton left a record budget surplus, low unemployment, expanded middle class and a great economic outlook. Let's look at what Bush is leaving behind. No surplus, 6.1 percent unemployment, a recession and an economic meltdown. Call it what it is. I'd trade Clinton any day of the week vs. Bush. Bush proved during his days in business and governing Texas that he was clueless. And fools thought he would be awesome? ROTFLMBO.
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that when the bubble got even larger.
the problem begin in 1987 with Greenspan.
Are you saying that Clinton had no hand in this? You get a clue.
I didn't say Bush did a great job did I? If you look at the positive side of bush, the govt collected 20% more even when he lowered taxes - and the country is still producing more.
At the end of clinton's presidency, we were in recession (like we should be after such growth), but he and Bush didn't let the market correct itself (along with Greenspan).
Why would you love Clinton and not bush? They both loved Greenspan and they both did well for the economy (only on paper). The truth is we were creating a huge bubble that is now about the burst.
You honestly believe that Obama is gonna make a change? or McCain?
We are gonna go through some tough times whether McCain wins or Obama wins.
I'll take my chances with McCain.
madskillz said:
You have a choice, sir, when you register. Either continue the Bush regime or vote for change. This isn't PS3 vs. 360. No one will be hurt.
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I vote for change.
so I'll vote for McCain.
Coca-Cola said:
I vote for change. so I'll vote for McCain.
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ROTFL. I have a bridge in Alaska I can sell you. Uhmmm, wait a minute.
Coca-Cola said:
I didn't say Bush did a great job did I? If you look at the positive side of bush, the govt collected 20% more even when he lowered taxes - and the country is still producing more.
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Are you accounting for inflation and the fact that the economy grows each year (meaning more gross revenue for the government to tax each year), both of which when considered would significantly lower your estimate of how much revenue was collected under the Bush Administration?
That's what I thought...
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| Coca-Cola said: I vote for change. so I'll vote for McCain. |
I dont see how people can say that with a straight face.
akuma587 said:
Are you accounting for inflation and the fact that the economy grows each year (meaning more gross revenue for the government to tax each year), both of which when considered would significantly lower your estimate of how much revenue was collected under the Bush Administration? That's what I thought...
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are you saying that bush tax cut did not bring more money into the govt?
are you saying that economy did not grow?
was I bragging about Bush?
I said that economy grew and govt brought in more money all the while the bubble kept growing. I'm admitting that the White house didn't do anything about the problem.
Can you admit that clinton made the same mistake? of course not.
What about the democrat controlled congress? what are they doing? Nothing!!!!!!!
what is their approval rate? You can't trust Obama to make a change?
ManusJustus said:
I dont see how people can say that with a straight face. |
I just don't see how Obama is going to bring about change.
he blames the white house for the problem we are facing. McCain blames the greed and corruption of wall street. I agree with McCain on this. dont you? seriously!
Coca-Cola said:
are you saying that bush tax cut did not bring more money into the govt? are you saying that economy did not grow? was I bragging about Bush? I said that economy grew and govt brought in more money all the while the bubble kept growing. I'm admitting that the White house didn't do anything about the problem. Can you admit that clinton made the same mistake? of course not. What about the democrat controlled congress? what are they doing? Nothing!!!!!!! what is their approval rate? You can't trust Obama to make a change?
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Did you answer my question...no, you didn't. You just casually passed over it and are attributing things to me that I didn't even say. I did not say the economy didn't grow, in fact you were the one who ignored that it has grown in your analysis.
Just because Bush brought in more revenue does not mean anything if you aren't accounting for inflation or the fact that every year there are more dollars to tax out there because the economy grows, meaning that even if you leave taxes the same YOU WILL DRAW MORE REVENUE EACH YEAR. Inflation makes the discrepancy even more. So Bush probably brought in less revenue than Clinton once you account for inflation and the revenue as a percentage of GDP.
And maybe the reason the Democrats can't do anything in Congress is because the Republicans have tried to block as many major initiatives as they can to simply say that the Democrats haven't been doing their job even if it means that change that needs to happen can't happen. The recent fiasco over passing legislation to remedy the oil situation is a great example.
Luckily the American public is smarter than that, and will take it out on the Republicans in office come November.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
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