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rocketpig on 11 September 2008
akuma587 said:

I do agree that the TV itself makes more difference than whether or not it is 1080i vs. 1080p, but this also makes several assumptions.

1) Your TV is properly deinterlacing the signal (the one I was using in my earlier example was a very old TV, and was not). 1080i and 1080p will look more or less identical only if this is true. If not, there will be a major difference. His TV sounds like it is much older, so it is probably not doing this correctly, as it is a much more common feature on newer TV's.

2) You aren't taking advantage of a 120 hz TV which when in conjunction with some of the anti-judder/smoothing technology makes a huge difference, especially in film.

The TV itself makes the biggest difference, I agree. The contrast ratio (which can vary a lot from set to set, I am about to buy a TV with a 50,000:1 ratio) is a huge factor. The ms response time has a small effect, but for film it is kind of neglible.

HDMI cables provide some advantage too, but once again this is sort of negligible unless you are going for a 1080p 24fps signal. In general they are the better choice though.

So yes, on TV's that can display both 1080p and 1080i correctly, the difference is minimal. But on his setup there is most likely a major difference between 1080i and a TV that is deinterlacing properly.

You might notice slightly less stuttering on a 120hz set, but you'll probably have to strain your eyes to pick it up.

We can agree that most of it is up to the television itself. Like you said, if it's not deinterlacing properly or the quality of the TV is generally low, you're not going to appreciate the full effect of Blu-Ray.

For me, the most impressive part of Blu-Ray is the sound. The picture is slightly better but it's not leaps and bounds better in most films. Pixar's films (and a few others) look fabulous, though.

The biggest hurdle for Blu-Ray is going to be peoples' ability to understand and properly set up an HDTV system... And that's a huge fucking hurdle. Most people just don't know enough or care enough to get the most out of the format, and that will probably hurt it in the long run.

 




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akuma587 on 11 September 2008

Yeah, ironically technology is supposed to get less complicated and more user friendly as time goes on, but TV's have gone in the opposite direction. Keeping up with it requires some major commitment.

Surround sound systems have done the same thing with all the complicated audio codecs and master audio tracks, bitstreaming, internal vs. external decoding, big fat mess.

MP3 players managed to get pretty user friendly with stuff like the Ipod, as have PC's and to a larger degree Macs, but TV's are more complicated than ever, and even people who know what they are talking about can have a hard time keeping up.

On a lighter note, I'm a total sucker for 120 hz TV's. They give me a hard-on. Anyone seen a 240 hz set yet? They finally rolled out a few not too long ago I believe.



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CDiablo on 14 September 2008
Username2324 said:

Frankly I'm getting tired of these threads, it's very simple.

Blu-ray looks better, sounds better, and IS better than DVD. Whether you want to admit it or not is your own problem.

And a 720p/1080i 42" is one of the worse HDTV's you could get, anything larger than 37" should be 1080p.

Also, how can you say "it looks like DVD" when you didnt view the same film on DVD? You fail.

 

It looks like most of the shit i have seen on DVD, simple as that. Ive seen like hundreds of DVDs and I know what to expect quality wise when watching/buying one.

You seem like you are one of the people that feel that I am someone purposely putting down Blu, and so are all my friends. I dont have anything against the format(as I said the black levels looked nice, also I dont have a good sound system so 5.1/7/1 dont matter to me), but its just not worth the money to have a slight upgrade in quality.



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akuma587 on 14 September 2008
CDiablo said:
Username2324 said:

Frankly I'm getting tired of these threads, it's very simple.

Blu-ray looks better, sounds better, and IS better than DVD. Whether you want to admit it or not is your own problem.

And a 720p/1080i 42" is one of the worse HDTV's you could get, anything larger than 37" should be 1080p.

Also, how can you say "it looks like DVD" when you didnt view the same film on DVD? You fail.

 

It looks like most of the shit i have seen on DVD, simple as that. Ive seen like hundreds of DVDs and I know what to expect quality wise when watching/buying one.

You seem like you are one of the people that feel that I am someone purposely putting down Blu, and so are all my friends. I dont have anything against the format(as I said the black levels looked nice, also I dont have a good sound system so 5.1/7/1 dont matter to me), but its just not worth the money to have a slight upgrade in quality.

Its probably just your TV, which is not exactly your fault if you can't afford a new one (they are expensive, I know, because I just bought one).  How old is it may I ask?  If it is more than 3-4 years old, there is a pretty good chance it doesn't deinterlace properly, meaning the picture will not look very good compared to a 720p signal, a 1080p signal, or a 1080i signal on an HDTV that does deinterlace properly.

Newer TV's in general will look better too.  Do you know what your contrast ratio on your TV is?  I imagine it is in the 10,000:1 range.  I just bought one in the 50,000:1 range, and 30:000:1 is a very normal standard for TV's these days.  This can make a HUGE difference as it really lets you show off the level of detail stored on a Blu-Ray that is not stored on a DVD.  Blacks will look very rich and you will see colors that even an older HDTV couldn't display.

 



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CDiablo on 15 September 2008

Its about 2 years old Samsung plasma. It was about $2100-$2300 new at the time I bought it. I bought it around the time the first 1080p tvs started coming out but they were about 4000 at the time. 10,000: 1 real contrast not like the phony numbers most lcds throw around. I got into a duscussion with a engineer who does work on tvs at my work and he said the contrast ratio thing is BS cause there is no industry standard for producing those numbers......and many online articles agree. Im probably going to buy a 52" LCD by the end of the year though and give this one to my parents.



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akuma587 on 15 September 2008
CDiablo said:

Its about 2 years old Samsung plasma. It was about $2100-$2300 new at the time I bought it. I bought it around the time the first 1080p tvs started coming out but they were about 4000 at the time. Im probably going to buy a 52" LCD by the end of the year though.

You can usually look up your model number online and just see what people have to say about it and see if you are having a deinterlacing problem or not.  Might help you figure out what the underlying problem is, whether or not Blu-Ray just didn't make that much of a difference to you or if you weren't able to take advantage of the 1080i/p content on the disc fully.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

ssj12 on 15 September 2008
CDiablo said:

Its about 2 years old Samsung plasma. It was about $2100-$2300 new at the time I bought it. I bought it around the time the first 1080p tvs started coming out but they were about 4000 at the time. Im probably going to buy a 52" LCD by the end of the year though.

 

well thats good

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NintendoMan on 15 September 2008

Blu-Ray is unnecessary. I hope it dies. It brings nothing new.



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