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As far as really seeing why Blu Ray is great it helps if you A) have a TV bigger then 42 inches and even more so B) have a 1080p TV. When I got the PS3 at release there were very few 1080p sets so I bought it originally with a 720p set thinking it would be good enough. After a few days I returned the set and got a 1080p that was actually a few inches smaller and it looks WAY better. If you watch something like Casino Royale with a 1080p bigscreen TV and a decent set of speakers its quite amazing (the sound is even more of an improvement then the picture, you get big movie theater quality sound that is uncompressed in most cases.)

The earlier movies are not as good as the later ones in many cases, the later ones have tons of extra features and deleted scenes. I got enter the dragon on blu ray, it had documentaries about bruce lee, the entire unfinished version of Game of Death and TONS of other good stuff, it had at least 30 special features of which 10 or more were quite compelling and worth watching. There were entire songs (with hillarious music videos) and tons of extra scenes on the Walk Hard Blu Ray as another good example.

Either way though, its the TV that makes the big difference, without a newer 1080p TV you might as well just use an upscaling DVD player or something.




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And batman begins wasnt a good choice. Transformers, Beowulf, Die Hard 4, Fantastic Four 2 all look supreme



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akuma587 said:
You have a 1080i TV...what did you expect...the signal is barely better than 480p.

Whoa there, cowboy. Completely untrue. If the OP has a 1080i set that displays a full 1080 horizontal lines, it will display the same quality picture as a 1080p 120hz set when viewing movies.

It's not until you get into games do you see the advantages of 1080p and progressive sets.




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CDiablo said:
akuma587 said:
You have a 1080i TV...what did you expect...the signal is barely better than 480p.

Batman Begins is a mid-tier transfer too. It looks alright, but by no means great, but its not bad. No Country For Old Men and There Will Be Blood are two non-animated movies that look phenomenal.

 

I always assumed that Blu Ray would look much better no matter what. I was always told that 1080p and i were the same for movies as they are displayed at 24fps as said in the article here:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/1106gear/

Theres many other articles that agree......either way I need to see those 2 movies as well.

No, that's a lie.  Its just a bunch of technical mumbo jumbo.  Occasionally a TV doesn't deinterlace properly, but very few new sets have that problem.  Go to Best Buy and watch a 1080p tv and watch a 1080i tv and tell me that they look the same.  I mean I have read countless arguments as to why they look the same, but if you go to the store, it is pretty much impossible to say that they do look the same.  Obviously if the TV is hooked up to a Blu-Ray player this is easier.

I have yet to watch any movies in my home at 1080p, but I can guarantee you that every movie I have watched in 720p looked a lot better than movies in 1080i, and I even watched those 1080i movies on a larger screen (which brings out the detail even better).  I remember watching Ratatouille in 1080i on a 52" inch screen being a worse experience than watching it on a full-screen 30" TV (so it had black bars...what a pain...) in 720p.  That is because I am very well trained at discerning when a picture is better or worse.

The motion was so fluid and everything on the screen just seemed to pop out at me.  It was so gorgeous...It looked good on the 1080i set, but I noticed an instant difference when I watched it on a SMALLER 720p set.

I hate to break it to you but that's either the quality of the television or your imagination working against you.

A properly set up 1080i set will display as good a picture as a 1080p set. Movies are only filmed at 24fps so interlacing isn't noticable. As long as the TV can display 1080 lines, you're going to get the same quality.

I challenge anyone to find a better picture than an old 1080i CRT HDTV that's properly set up. Other than brightness, they're still the best thing going for watching movies.

The amount of misinformation that circulates around HD resolutions is enormous. If you don't believe me, just google some of this stuff. There are loads of tests done that show how 1080i and 1080p are visually identical when watching movies.

Oh, and all of this applies to television in HD as well. The only time 1080p is advantageous is for gaming and using your set as a computer monitor. That's it.

 




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akuma587 said:
This is how the lines are drawn:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution

SDTV: 480i (NTSC, 720×480 split into two 240-line fields)
SDTV: 576i (PAL, 720×576 split into two 288-line fields)
EDTV: 480p (NTSC, 720×480)
HDTV: 720p (1280×720)
HDTV: 1080i (1280×1080, 1440×1080, or 1920×1080 split into two 540-line fields)
HDTV: 1080p (1920*1080 progressive scan)

1080i draws the images in sets of twos, so technically you only see 540 lines at one time. 720p draws 720 lines at all times, thus eliminating the jerkiness of having two sets giving you the advantage during motion. 1080p draws 1080 lines at all times, thus giving you the higher resolution and the elimination of jerkiness.

Your eyes won't lie to you if you just compare the picture difference on TV sets. 1080p does make a huge difference. 1080i just has a flatter picture, no if and or buts about it. 1080p can actually do the true 24 fps motion you were talking about earlier while 1080i cannot.

Ideally you want a 120hz tv. A 1080p signal on a 120hz tv is just breathtaking.

 

I hope you know 720p is really downscaled images right. It's a fake resolution. It really should be 756p.



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akuma587 said:
This is how the lines are drawn:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_resolution

SDTV: 480i (NTSC, 720×480 split into two 240-line fields)
SDTV: 576i (PAL, 720×576 split into two 288-line fields)
EDTV: 480p (NTSC, 720×480)
HDTV: 720p (1280×720)
HDTV: 1080i (1280×1080, 1440×1080, or 1920×1080 split into two 540-line fields)
HDTV: 1080p (1920*1080 progressive scan)

1080i draws the images in sets of twos, so technically you only see 540 lines at one time. 720p draws 720 lines at all times, thus eliminating the jerkiness of having two sets giving you the advantage during motion. 1080p draws 1080 lines at all times, thus giving you the higher resolution and the elimination of jerkiness.

Your eyes won't lie to you if you just compare the picture difference on TV sets. 1080p does make a huge difference. 1080i just has a flatter picture, no if and or buts about it. 1080p can actually do the true 24 fps motion you were talking about earlier while 1080i cannot.

Ideally you want a 120hz tv. A 1080p signal on a 120hz tv is just breathtaking.

Ugh, seriously google some of this stuff Akuma. When watching movies, 1080i is visually identical to 1080p.

Your imagination may be telling you that you're looking at a better picture but reality has a different take on the situation.

 




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I would say get a movie with alot of explosions and/or cgi effects.

I've watched Spiderman on blu-ray and it is quite amazing, Non-widescreen DVD's (i.e early seasons of scrubs and entourage) look like sh!t on my tv (Bravia 40X) but ones that do support widescreen look about as good as blu-ray, certainly good enough for me to not buy blu-ray ($20 for a dvd VS $50 for a blu-ray of the same newly released movie).



CDiablo said:
Ill get Casino Royale next as none of those other movies interest me. Thanks for the reccomendations.

 

I thought that too with Ratatouille but I got it for the quality of the disc and as something to show off what BR is capable of doing and I must say it is a really freaking good movie.



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well, I have a low-tier 32 in. 720p LCD and I notice a HUGE difference in picture quality, even when watching a non-explosions/action movie like The Chronicles of Narnia (the first one). Hell, even a 70 year-old lady who's a friend of mine noticed a difference....



Not trying to be a fanboy. Of course, it's hard when you own the best console eve... dang it

I agree that Pixars stuff is about the finest example of HD you can find. The animations and color are extraordinary.




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