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Timmah! said:
akuma587 said:
Timmah! said:
Wow, that was one of the most biased articles I have read in a while. I thought you pulled it off a left wing blog until I saw it's from NEWSWEEK?? Unbelievable.

And LOL @ Grey Acumen.

I was also pretty surprised this came out of Newsweek.  I guess political seasons bring that out in people.

 

 

I hope that was an op-ed and not concidered news. I also hope they had something to counter that point of view, but I somehow doubt it.

EDIT: I see from actually clicking on the link that it was an op-ed piece. Still seems way slanted though for a 'mainstream' publication. I'd be interested to pick up that issue and see if they had any balance for that article.

I was not surprised when I saw that is was penned by Anna Quindlen. She is well-known liberal (former NY Times) columnist. Also, Newsweek does have a fairly good balance between liberal and conservative. They feature notable conservatives such as George Will.

 



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Ahh.. Behold the power of not having my own head up my anus

From NYT on the Senate vote for Women Suffarge http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1920womensvote.html

The Vote in Detail.

The roll call on the amendment follows:

FOR ADOPTION - 36.

Republicans - 36.

Capper, Cummins, Curtis, Edge, Elkins, Fall, Fernald, France, Frelinghuysen, Gronna, Hale, Harding, Johnson, (Cal.,) Jones, (Wash.,) Kellogg, Kenyon, Kayes, La Follette, Lenroot, McCormick, McCumber, McNaty, Nelson, New, Newberry, Norris, Page, Phipps, Poindexter, Sherman, Smoot, Spencer, Sterling, Sutherland, Warren, Watson.

Democrats - 20.

Ashurst, Chamberlain, Culberson, Harris, Henderson, Jones, (N. M.,) Kenrick, Kirby, McKellar, Myers, Nugent, Phelan, Pittman, Ransdell, Shepard, Smith, (Ariz.,) Stanley, Thomas, Walsh, (Mass.,) Walsh, (Mon.)

AGAINST ADOPTION - 25.

Republicans - 8.

Borah, Brandegee, Dillingham, Knox, Lodge, McLean, Moses, Wadsworth.

Democrats - 17.

Bankhead, Beckham, Dial, Fletcher, Gay, Harrison, Hitchcock, Overman, Reed, Simmons, Smith, (Md.,) Smith, (S. C.,) Swanson, Trammell, Underwood, Williams, Wolcott.

Paired.

Ball and King, for, with Shields, against: Calder and Townsend, for, with Penrose, against; Gerry and Johnson of South Dakota, for, with Martin, against; Gore and Colt, for, with Pomerone, against.

Absent and Not Paired.

Owen, Robinson, and Smith of Georgia. The vote came after four hours of debate, during which Democratic Senators opposed to the amendment filibustered to prevent a roll call until their absent Senators could be protected by pairs. They gave up the effort finally as futile.

 

Wait, which party was against? Which party attmepted to filabuster?? Was it the Democratic party? I guess that would mean the Republicans discovered "feminism" first and the Dems decided to use it some 60 years later.

 



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That's the problem though.

The questions were sexist. Sexist attacks against her. The same kind some super conservative right wingers did.

Everyone found it more important to go after her, then to ask the fringe repubs why they held said opinions then changed them.

When people try to "go after someones hypocracy" by using the same attacks people used agianst your group... they themselves are committing an act of hypocracy.

I mean... if you call racist names to Colin Powell because a number of right wingers are racists... that makes you a racist.  You aren't being witty.

If you want to call people out... go ahead and call people out.   Say "you previously thought women should stay at home, what made you change your decision.

Not broadbash the entire party and attack her so she gets it "just as good."



senseinobaka said:
Ahh.. Behold the power of not having my own head up my anus

From NYT on the Senate vote for Women Suffarge http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1920womensvote.html

The Vote in Detail.

The roll call on the amendment follows:

FOR ADOPTION - 36.

Republicans - 36.

Capper, Cummins, Curtis, Edge, Elkins, Fall, Fernald, France, Frelinghuysen, Gronna, Hale, Harding, Johnson, (Cal.,) Jones, (Wash.,) Kellogg, Kenyon, Kayes, La Follette, Lenroot, McCormick, McCumber, McNaty, Nelson, New, Newberry, Norris, Page, Phipps, Poindexter, Sherman, Smoot, Spencer, Sterling, Sutherland, Warren, Watson.

Democrats - 20.

Ashurst, Chamberlain, Culberson, Harris, Henderson, Jones, (N. M.,) Kenrick, Kirby, McKellar, Myers, Nugent, Phelan, Pittman, Ransdell, Shepard, Smith, (Ariz.,) Stanley, Thomas, Walsh, (Mass.,) Walsh, (Mon.)

AGAINST ADOPTION - 25.

Republicans - 8.

Borah, Brandegee, Dillingham, Knox, Lodge, McLean, Moses, Wadsworth.

Democrats - 17.

Bankhead, Beckham, Dial, Fletcher, Gay, Harrison, Hitchcock, Overman, Reed, Simmons, Smith, (Md.,) Smith, (S. C.,) Swanson, Trammell, Underwood, Williams, Wolcott.

Paired.

Ball and King, for, with Shields, against: Calder and Townsend, for, with Penrose, against; Gerry and Johnson of South Dakota, for, with Martin, against; Gore and Colt, for, with Pomerone, against.

Absent and Not Paired.

Owen, Robinson, and Smith of Georgia. The vote came after four hours of debate, during which Democratic Senators opposed to the amendment filibustered to prevent a roll call until their absent Senators could be protected by pairs. They gave up the effort finally as futile.

 

Wait, which party was against? Which party attmepted to filabuster?? Was it the Democratic party? I guess that would mean the Republicans discovered "feminism" first and the Dems decided to use it some 60 years later.

 

The Democrat party was against ending slavery, against Women's right to vote, and against ending segragation at the onset of each. They then adopted (and hijacked as their own) the republican stance on these issues when they became more popular. If you look throughout the history of this country, Republicans, NOT Democrats, have been the overwhelming instrument of change and progress on major social issues. The Dems hijacked that mantra as well.

It's a shame that the republican party of the last 8 years has lost it's edge and gotten complacent. I think McCain-Palin might just shake them up a bit.



Timmah! said:

The Democrat party was against ending slavery, against Women's right to vote, and against ending segragation at the onset of each. They then adopted (and hijacked as their own) the republican stance on these issues when they became more popular. If you look throughout the history of this country, Republicans, NOT Democrats, have been the overwhelming instrument of change and progress on major social issues. The Dems hijacked that mantra as well.

It's a shame that the republican party of the last 8 years has lost it's edge and gotten complacent. I think McCain-Palin might just shake them up a bit.

The republican's problem is that after 12 years they did not complete their end of the bargain. The bargain being the contract with america. Instead they allow the very author of the movement to be kicked out of the congress and started doing the exact opposite. You can't move a base of people that you screwed for 12 years to vote for you.

Anexample is their refusal to abolish education slavery..err.. i mean abolish the department of education. Instead they give government education MORE with no child left behind. And now we have stories like this coming to us on a daily basis: http://pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=208766&ac=PHnws

end point: they said "change" in 1994 and simply expanded failing programs. Education, Medicare, and Social Security.

 



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Another US election thread

Can't we at least wait until the debates and interviews start, before pre-empting everything?



Jackson50 said:
noname2200 said:
Auron said:

Is our political system so obviously broken that even folks thousands of miles away are accutely aware of its myriad of flaws?

Please don't answer that...

 

If you think ours is bad, you are ignorant of what a truly broken political system looks like. I recommend you do a quick study of Italy; that is a political system that is obviously broken.

Oh, don't mistake me, I firmly believe we have one of the best governmental systems ever made.

It's just that that's a low bar to hurdle, and there's a crapload of room for improvement.

 



noname2200 said:
Jackson50 said:
noname2200 said:
Auron said:

Is our political system so obviously broken that even folks thousands of miles away are accutely aware of its myriad of flaws?

Please don't answer that...

 

If you think ours is bad, you are ignorant of what a truly broken political system looks like. I recommend you do a quick study of Italy; that is a political system that is obviously broken.

Oh, don't mistake me, I firmly believe we have one of the best governmental systems ever made.

It's just that that's a low bar to hurdle, and there's a crapload of room for improvement.

 

It's like the Winston Chruchill Quote. 

"Democracy is the worst form of government, aside from all the others we've tried."

 



Timmah! said:
senseinobaka said:
Ahh.. Behold the power of not having my own head up my anus

From NYT on the Senate vote for Women Suffarge http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1920womensvote.html

The Vote in Detail.

The roll call on the amendment follows:

FOR ADOPTION - 36.

Republicans - 36.

Capper, Cummins, Curtis, Edge, Elkins, Fall, Fernald, France, Frelinghuysen, Gronna, Hale, Harding, Johnson, (Cal.,) Jones, (Wash.,) Kellogg, Kenyon, Kayes, La Follette, Lenroot, McCormick, McCumber, McNaty, Nelson, New, Newberry, Norris, Page, Phipps, Poindexter, Sherman, Smoot, Spencer, Sterling, Sutherland, Warren, Watson.

Democrats - 20.

Ashurst, Chamberlain, Culberson, Harris, Henderson, Jones, (N. M.,) Kenrick, Kirby, McKellar, Myers, Nugent, Phelan, Pittman, Ransdell, Shepard, Smith, (Ariz.,) Stanley, Thomas, Walsh, (Mass.,) Walsh, (Mon.)

AGAINST ADOPTION - 25.

Republicans - 8.

Borah, Brandegee, Dillingham, Knox, Lodge, McLean, Moses, Wadsworth.

Democrats - 17.

Bankhead, Beckham, Dial, Fletcher, Gay, Harrison, Hitchcock, Overman, Reed, Simmons, Smith, (Md.,) Smith, (S. C.,) Swanson, Trammell, Underwood, Williams, Wolcott.

Paired.

Ball and King, for, with Shields, against: Calder and Townsend, for, with Penrose, against; Gerry and Johnson of South Dakota, for, with Martin, against; Gore and Colt, for, with Pomerone, against.

Absent and Not Paired.

Owen, Robinson, and Smith of Georgia. The vote came after four hours of debate, during which Democratic Senators opposed to the amendment filibustered to prevent a roll call until their absent Senators could be protected by pairs. They gave up the effort finally as futile.

 

Wait, which party was against? Which party attmepted to filabuster?? Was it the Democratic party? I guess that would mean the Republicans discovered "feminism" first and the Dems decided to use it some 60 years later.

 

The Democrat party was against ending slavery, against Women's right to vote, and against ending segragation at the onset of each. They then adopted (and hijacked as their own) the republican stance on these issues when they became more popular. If you look throughout the history of this country, Republicans, NOT Democrats, have been the overwhelming instrument of change and progress on major social issues. The Dems hijacked that mantra as well.

It's a shame that the republican party of the last 8 years has lost it's edge and gotten complacent. I think McCain-Palin might just shake them up a bit.

To be fair those "dixiecrats" later became republicans.

 



Private reproductive choice being turned over to someone else? The Republicans are going to rape all the women in the US and then not allow them abortions? I think the choice was made... when a penis entered that vagina willingly.