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Timmah! said:

I support an innocent child's right to live.

 

I do too, we just disagree on when a pregnant woman becomes two people.

Can you please go to this thread and give an answer:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=41350&start=0

I am interested to hear what you have to say.



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Timmah! said:

The US is very lenient on freedom of the press. In the US, you can pretty much publish anything you want, even if it is hate filled BS, a leaked document from the government, pornography, etc. There are really no laws governing what can be published (aside from child porn, for obvious reasons), just laws that limit the availability of certain things to certain settings & age groups. The US has had no bannings of movies, books, or newspapers (nationally) in it's recent history. Some movies will be given an NC-17 rating, and that pretty much kills them, or games given an AO rating, which pretty much kills them, but the government itself is not in the business of limiting speech by banning speach by law or punishing the speaker or writer for their opinions.

Like Kasz said, the list you gave is going to be skewed because arrests of journalists are not due to what they reported, but the fact that they would not reveal the source that illegally released classified documents. The US does not prosecute journalists for publishing classified information, but instead goes after the person who leaked the info in the first place.

The Racial and Religious Hatred Act actually outlaws certain types of speech in the UK, namely speech that "inciting (or 'stirring up') hatred against a person on the grounds of their religion" is illegal. In the US, we have no laws that restrict what opinions are legal or not legal to either speak or print. Due to this fact alone, the US has fewer restrictions on speach than the UK.

The UK is only one place in Europe. I don't even live there, so I'm going to stop replying to stuff about UK. As I said above, UK has a lot of things to be ashamed of, especially in terms of privacy.

I'm sure a lot could be said about USA vs UK, but I'm neither knowledgeable nor interested enough to enter that specific debate.

 



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TheRealMafoo said:
Timmah! said:

I support an innocent child's right to live.

 

I do too, we just disagree on when a pregnant woman becomes two people.

Can you please go to this thread and give an answer:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=41350&start=0

I am interested to hear what you have to say.

 

That's real tough, I honestly don't have a complete answser on that one. My religios views say life begins at conception. From a legal perspective, however, there are so many milestones that it's hard to know which one to choose.

I would say that life begins at around 8-10 weeks. This is the time when implantation has fully completed, the heartbeat has begun, the most basic of brain functions (ex, pain reflexes) have begun to develop, and some brainwaves are starting to be detectable. The heartbeat starts at about 5 weeks, I believe it could be argued that it is legally a human life somewhere after that.

I personally believe life begins at conception. This is really by scientific definition. At conception (by this I mean when the baby implants, not when it is fertilized) there is a complete set of human DNA, and the cells are living, developing, and functioning. Due to this, by scientific definition, it could be argued that both life, and the genetic properties necessary to define that life as human, exist at conception.

It can't really be argued that, because the baby can't survive outside the mother, it's not a human life. Just because a person can't survive without life support temporararily in the hospital does not make them less human. It's the same with a baby, he/she has to survive temporarily on life support from it's mother while it prepares for life outside the womb. In the same way, the baby is fully dependend on his or her mother or caregiver for survival after leaving the womb, and this does not make the baby any less human either.

At only 40 days after fertilization electrical waves as measured by the EEG can be recorded from the baby's brain, indicating brain functioning47, 48.

 47. Hamlin, H. (1964), "Life or Death by EEG," Journal of the American Medical Association, October 12, 113.

When is the brain functioning?

Brain waves have been recorded at 40 days on the Electroencephalogram (EEG).
H. Hamlin, "Life or Death by EEG," JAMA, Oct. 12, 1964, p. 120

 



Timmah! said:

I personally believe life begins at conception. This is really by scientific definition. At conception (by this I mean when the baby implants, not when it is fertilized) there is a complete set of human DNA, and the cells are living, developing, and functioning. Due to this, by scientific definition, it could be argued that both life, and the genetic properties necessary to define that life as human, exist at conception.

"complete set of human DNA, and the cells are living, developing and functioning"

Someone arrest my barber ;)

 



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rocketpig said:
tombi123 said:
Lolcislaw said:
tombi123 said:
Palin's politics are a joke. She is insane. If McCain died in office and Palin became president, don't expect any support from Europe.

Lets hope for the sake of the World that Obama wins the election.

Sorry but if Barrack wins the election, America goes more into isolationist direction, he is not interested in Anti Missle Programme, he will allow Russia to grow stronger, He does not care about Iran. Sorry but if Obama wins don't expect any help from America.

 

 

He does care about Iran and Russia. But rather than declare war on Iran, he would talk with them. I can see why Iran feels threatened by the USA, when the US government is supplying Israel with $$$.

You must have seen the response Obama got when he visited Europe. McCain wouldn't have got that kind of responce and if Palin did the same and her policies were widely known, she would have probably got booed. Under Obama, the USA and Europe would have a close relationship.

So because Obama gave a bunch of really sweet speeches in Europe, he'll be better for the world than McCain, a man who is highly respected throughout the world as a moderate?

Did I enter CrazyLand again this morning?

I'm not saying that Obama won't be great for the world, what I'm saying is that no one knows. The man's foreign policy up to this point is limited to a bunch of great speeches and one huge fucking question mark.

To discount McCain and throw him in the same group as Bush is downright ignorant, really.

 

True that, rocket.

Besides, we know that the problem isn't republicans as much as it is Texans. ;)

 



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NJ5 said:
Timmah! said:

I personally believe life begins at conception. This is really by scientific definition. At conception (by this I mean when the baby implants, not when it is fertilized) there is a complete set of human DNA, and the cells are living, developing, and functioning. Due to this, by scientific definition, it could be argued that both life, and the genetic properties necessary to define that life as human, exist at conception.

"complete set of human DNA, and the cells are living, developing and functioning"

Someone arrest my barber ;)

 

LOL. The other factor is that the cells I speak of are in the process of developing into a full, functioning human body. Your hairs are not. Also, hairs themselves are not actually living cells, they're not supplied with nutrients or anything after they leave the root.

Can you imagine a group of activists that thought killing human hairs was evil? That would make for some funny protest signs.



NJ5 said:
Timmah! said:

The US is very lenient on freedom of the press. In the US, you can pretty much publish anything you want, even if it is hate filled BS, a leaked document from the government, pornography, etc. There are really no laws governing what can be published (aside from child porn, for obvious reasons), just laws that limit the availability of certain things to certain settings & age groups. The US has had no bannings of movies, books, or newspapers (nationally) in it's recent history. Some movies will be given an NC-17 rating, and that pretty much kills them, or games given an AO rating, which pretty much kills them, but the government itself is not in the business of limiting speech by banning speach by law or punishing the speaker or writer for their opinions.

Like Kasz said, the list you gave is going to be skewed because arrests of journalists are not due to what they reported, but the fact that they would not reveal the source that illegally released classified documents. The US does not prosecute journalists for publishing classified information, but instead goes after the person who leaked the info in the first place.

The Racial and Religious Hatred Act actually outlaws certain types of speech in the UK, namely speech that "inciting (or 'stirring up') hatred against a person on the grounds of their religion" is illegal. In the US, we have no laws that restrict what opinions are legal or not legal to either speak or print. Due to this fact alone, the US has fewer restrictions on speach than the UK.

The UK is only one place in Europe. I don't even live there, so I'm going to stop replying to stuff about UK. As I said above, UK has a lot of things to be ashamed of, especially in terms of privacy.

I'm sure a lot could be said about USA vs UK, but I'm neither knowledgeable nor interested enough to enter that specific debate.

 

Censorship In France: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_France

Censorship in Germany: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany

After reunification (1989-present)

Because Germany kept the West German constitution after reunification, the same protections and restrictions as in West Germany apply to contemporary Germany. Continued globalization and the advent of internet marketing present a new host of complications to German censorship and information laws.

There are four reasons for censorship or information and media control:

  • A decision of a court, that assumes that a publication is violating another persons personal rights (a newspaper for example can be forced not to publish pictures of privacy anymore).
  • All forms of movie ratings (also for computer games but not for books) motivated by youth protection.
  • Media that is assumed to be very harmful to youth is indexed by the Bundesprüfstelle für jugendgefährdende Medien (Federal Department for Media Harmful to Young Persons). These publications are restricted in marketing but not de jure censored in general. Indexing can grant publicity but is often tried to prevent.
  • Publications violating laws (that restrict freedom of speech in general) can be censored; their authors can be penalised. Such restrictions are Volksverhetzung, slander and libel (which are in Germany Beleidigung, Verleumdung and Üble Nachrede). Especially Üble Nachrede (defamatory statement) scarcely causes censorship. Üble Nachrede (Defamatory statement) means violating personal rights by spreading gossip/news which are neither evidentially true or false.

Membership in a Nazi party, publicly advancing national socialist ideas[citation needed], and Holocaust denial are illegal in Germany. Publishing, television, public correspondence (including lectures), and music are censored accordingly, with harsh legal consequences, including jail time.

Already covered the UK.

Censorship in Spain: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,814792,00.html

Some European countries do have full freedom of the press (I believe Italy is very good, if not the best on this issue), but to suggest that Europe is somehow much better than the US is not necessarily correct. I'm not saying the US is perfect, just not backwards in regards to censorship as some may suggest.



The race is still a dead heat, that gallup poll is the only outlier, which tells me it is not very accurate:

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/08-us-pres-ge-mvo.php



NJ5 said:
Timmah! said:

The US is very lenient on freedom of the press. In the US, you can pretty much publish anything you want, even if it is hate filled BS, a leaked document from the government, pornography, etc. There are really no laws governing what can be published (aside from child porn, for obvious reasons), just laws that limit the availability of certain things to certain settings & age groups. The US has had no bannings of movies, books, or newspapers (nationally) in it's recent history. Some movies will be given an NC-17 rating, and that pretty much kills them, or games given an AO rating, which pretty much kills them, but the government itself is not in the business of limiting speech by banning speach by law or punishing the speaker or writer for their opinions.

Like Kasz said, the list you gave is going to be skewed because arrests of journalists are not due to what they reported, but the fact that they would not reveal the source that illegally released classified documents. The US does not prosecute journalists for publishing classified information, but instead goes after the person who leaked the info in the first place.

The Racial and Religious Hatred Act actually outlaws certain types of speech in the UK, namely speech that "inciting (or 'stirring up') hatred against a person on the grounds of their religion" is illegal. In the US, we have no laws that restrict what opinions are legal or not legal to either speak or print. Due to this fact alone, the US has fewer restrictions on speach than the UK.

The UK is only one place in Europe. I don't even live there, so I'm going to stop replying to stuff about UK. As I said above, UK has a lot of things to be ashamed of, especially in terms of privacy.

I'm sure a lot could be said about USA vs UK, but I'm neither knowledgeable nor interested enough to enter that specific debate.

 

And it brings down the average of "Europe".  I've yet to see any laws in the US that are worse then anywhere in europe.  I mean if you'd like to give some exampels that'd be great.

 



Timmah! said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Timmah! said:

I support an innocent child's right to live.

 

I do too, we just disagree on when a pregnant woman becomes two people.

Can you please go to this thread and give an answer:

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=41350&start=0

I am interested to hear what you have to say.

 

That's real tough, I honestly don't have a complete answser on that one. My religios views say life begins at conception. From a legal perspective, however, there are so many milestones that it's hard to know which one to choose.

I would say that life begins at around 8-10 weeks. This is the time when implantation has fully completed, the heartbeat has begun, the most basic of brain functions (ex, pain reflexes) have begun to develop, and some brainwaves are starting to be detectable. The heartbeat starts at about 5 weeks, I believe it could be argued that it is legally a human life somewhere after that.

I personally believe life begins at conception. This is really by scientific definition. At conception (by this I mean when the baby implants, not when it is fertilized) there is a complete set of human DNA, and the cells are living, developing, and functioning. Due to this, by scientific definition, it could be argued that both life, and the genetic properties necessary to define that life as human, exist at conception.

It can't really be argued that, because the baby can't survive outside the mother, it's not a human life. Just because a person can't survive without life support temporararily in the hospital does not make them less human. It's the same with a baby, he/she has to survive temporarily on life support from it's mother while it prepares for life outside the womb. In the same way, the baby is fully dependend on his or her mother or caregiver for survival after leaving the womb, and this does not make the baby any less human either.

At only 40 days after fertilization electrical waves as measured by the EEG can be recorded from the baby's brain, indicating brain functioning47, 48.

 47. Hamlin, H. (1964), "Life or Death by EEG," Journal of the American Medical Association, October 12, 113.

When is the brain functioning?

Brain waves have been recorded at 40 days on the Electroencephalogram (EEG).
H. Hamlin, "Life or Death by EEG," JAMA, Oct. 12, 1964, p. 120

 

 

ok, I am fine using your scientific definition. Abortion before 2 months should be legal, after that, illegal.