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Kasz216 said:
Avalach21 said:
Kasz216 said:
MrBubbles said:
its a good thing that this "global warming" is just a socialist plot so we dont have to worry about that.


I wouldnt' say global warming is a socialist plot.  Just the fact that it's man-made is a plot to make money and such.

I mean... this article pretty much agrees with that.

The biggest man made causes of CO2 are infact controlled natural causes.  Animals and Forest Fires.

How many animals out there are non controlled by humans vs farming animals?  How many Forest Fires start naturally?

etc.

 

The man made effect on global warming is being overexagerrated for monetary gain.

 

Who's monetary gain?  What groups or people benefit from global warming?  (Just curious, not arguing)

 

1)Al Gore and other carbon credit pioneers.

He owns a completely unregulated "Carbon Credit" buisness where people pay him for their guilt on carbon credits.

There are tons of people like him with "Carbon Credit" buisnesses where people pay... and the money really just mostly goes in these peoples pockets.

 

2) Climate Scientists.  You get a lot more money for your 6-8 years in colege grants and payment wise if you support global warming then if you didn't.  If Global warming suddenly didn't exist at all or wasn't man made... a lot of climate scientists would be out of work... as measureing human carbon emmissions would be pointless... and it's almost impossible to measure the total world wide carbon rates.

They use Climate models and computer simulations to get there results.  Which is a problem... since we don't really know how much natural CO2 the earth gives off... making any computer simulation on this... really silly.  Since... if you have an incomplete model like that... the % causes are just going to be higher.

3) The media.  Man Made Global warming is a great media draw.  Everybody covered the UN global warming report. 

Pretty much nobody covered the fact that a large group of scientists quit the project do to "Data manipulation and exagerration of facts."

 

4) Oil Companies.   Sounds weird... but nobody has researched more in alternative energy then these guys... and this alternative energy will be stuff that they control.  No longer will they have to worry about their energy supply being disrupted by socialist dictators in South America or wars in the unstable Middle east.  They won't have to pay anyone but themselves.

Seriously being an Oil company now is dangerous... Iraq is considered relativly safe as far as oil reserves go compared to places like Venuzela.  They're ready to move into solar, wind power and others. 

People argue they aren't working hard enough on alternative fuels... but i mean honestly.  Plug in cars already exist.  They are the cars of the future most likely.  Get clean electricity and you don't need clean fuels.  That's what the oil companies are putting all their money into, Solar, Geothermal... etc.  Renewable electricity sources.

In the future Gas stations might be places where you just plug your car in and recharge it.

5) Poor countries dictators.  The UN's main solution to global warming is to set up a "Carbon Credit" system where everybody gets a certain number of carbon credits... and if a country is going to go over.  Like say China.  They could pay billions of dollars to another country not using their credits to transfer them.

Like say... Zimbabwe. 

This gives poor countries ruled by dictators further incentive to keep their people in the dark ages because the less carbon emissions they let off... the more money they get to pocket from rich 1st world nations.

 

6) Rich countries.  If everyone was industrilized and "modern" there wouldn't be enough resources around of everyone to live a "modern" life.  Not even enough energy yet. Seriously if you take a detailed "Global Footprint" you'll see that it's basically impossible for everyone to live even a poor modern life with world population as it is.... and rising.

So Global Warming effectivly keeps some nations poor, while working hard to come up with renewable energies so that we aren't hit as hard in "needs" when countries modernize.

Though that doesn't fix it all... since modernization is helping to cause the global food crisis.

I would also like to add that governments can tax carbon credits, thus greatly expanding their tax revenue in a new way. Raising cigarette taxes just lowers smoking numbers ect so thats no good... a "breathing tax" (head tax) would be too obvious... but regulating industry through carbon taxes with higher product costs passed on to consumers is very sneaky... especially if the majority of the population belives in man made global warming.

On a side note- global warming obviosuly exists. What is now Detroit used to be buried ina mile of ice. Then again, there used to be a land bridge primarily made of ice between Russia and Alaska. The globe is always cooling and heating; humans assuming they control it is either maassive hubris of deception.

 

I belive man made global warming will be remembered by historians as our time periods version of "the sun revoles around the earth" and "the earth is flat"... authorites covered up research that proved these "facts" wrong, just as the majority of scinetists are blocking scientists wanting to research other causes of globabl warming, like the sun or volcanic eruptions.

 



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Offtopic: I'm eating steak tonight.



I couldn't live without meet, it's not that i dont believe in Global Worming or etc. i just love the taste of meat.

But then i dont drive i use a bicycle all the time so it evens out.



I could do without red meat. Although I would miss roast beef quite a bit. But I would give up red meat way before fish or chicken. Pork would be even easier.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

TWRoO said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Being a vegetarian, can I just point out that I actually fart a lot more than most meat eaters thanks to the fact that my body's digesting the stuff that the cows normally digest.

Grass?

 

 

Mainly, chuck in the odd branch and/or slug that may make it to my plate, and you've pretty much got my diet.

Night-times are hell. I don't think I could stay in a relationship for very long with the way my digestion system works.

(btw, the only chance this has of being funny is if you understand a cow's eating habits, and even then, it's a pretty poor joke).



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Hawkeye said:

I would also like to add that governments can tax carbon credits, thus greatly expanding their tax revenue in a new way. Raising cigarette taxes just lowers smoking numbers ect so thats no good... a "breathing tax" (head tax) would be too obvious... but regulating industry through carbon taxes with higher product costs passed on to consumers is very sneaky... especially if the majority of the population belives in man made global warming.

On a side note- global warming obviosuly exists. What is now Detroit used to be buried ina mile of ice. Then again, there used to be a land bridge primarily made of ice between Russia and Alaska. The globe is always cooling and heating; humans assuming they control it is either maassive hubris of deception.

 

I belive man made global warming will be remembered by historians as our time periods version of "the sun revoles around the earth" and "the earth is flat"... authorites covered up research that proved these "facts" wrong, just as the majority of scinetists are blocking scientists wanting to research other causes of globabl warming, like the sun or volcanic eruptions.

 

This is pretty much what I think. The earth does go through periods of heat, and periods of cold. Why, not too long ago (by earth's standards), we had an Ice Age. We sure aren't now, so doesn't it make sense that the globe is heating up? The whole thing is really blown out of proportion.

 



Eat the cows before they warm us up!!!



insomniac17 said:

 

This is pretty much what I think. The earth does go through periods of heat, and periods of cold. Why, not too long ago (by earth's standards), we had an Ice Age. We sure aren't now, so doesn't it make sense that the globe is heating up? The whole thing is really blown out of proportion.

 

This argument is thrown around way too liberally.  Just look at the chart I posted earlier that shows how dramatic the shift has been in just 150 years.  That kind of change is very abnormal and most likely due to something else besides the amount of heat the earth receives from the sun on average.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
insomniac17 said:

 

This is pretty much what I think. The earth does go through periods of heat, and periods of cold. Why, not too long ago (by earth's standards), we had an Ice Age. We sure aren't now, so doesn't it make sense that the globe is heating up? The whole thing is really blown out of proportion.

 

This argument is thrown around way too liberally.  Just look at the chart I posted earlier that shows how dramatic the shift has been in just 150 years.  That kind of change is very abnormal and most likely due to something else besides the amount of heat the earth receives from the sun on average.

 

 

I'm not saying we have nothing to do with it, I'm saying its being blown out of proporsion. Also, we can't compare that to any other point in the earth's history, so we don't know how the earth reacted after every ice age. For all we know, it could have hit a point like this, and humans could have nothing to do with it. Conversly, it could have just held a steady increase, and we could have everything to do with it. I, however, think it is far more likely that it is more natural, with only some being contributed by things that we (humans) control.

EDIT: Also, do you have a graph that covers more time? That graph is but a scratch in the history of the earth, and is not very accurate of overall trends.



Expert Panel Concludes Earth's Temperature Warmest in 400 Years

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jun2006/2006-06-22-10.asp

Borehole temps show Earth has warmed 1 degree C. since 1500; half of that in last 100 years

http://www.ur.umich.edu/9798/Dec17_97/borehole.htm



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson