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kjj4t9rdad said:
Vista = crap
Zune = crap
360 = crap
M$ can't do anything right. Why do people still buy there products?

 

1.  Most people who say Vista is crap have never even used it.  Vista is actually quite good--stable, secure, and nicely laid out.  (I have been using it since beta.)  It's perceived as crap mostly because it's not XP.  The driver issues were fixed within the first two months of launch, but nobody ever talks about that.  It's more fun to mindlessly bash.

 

2.  The Zune is a really cool device.  Would I ever buy one?  No, I'd rather put all my music on my Chocolate.  I don't own a Zune or an iPod, but I've used both quite a bit.  I know 5 Zune owners and they all love the thing.  My brother and sister-in-law liked theirs so much that they bought a second one so they'd quit fighting over it.  I've read several tech reviews that have agreed that the Zune's price, layout and functionality actually gives the iPod a run for its money.  It just doesn't have the little apple logo on the back, so again, it's perceived as crap and mindlessly bashed by idiots who have probably never used one.

3.  The 360 is an awesome console.  This opinion is of course subject to personal preference, much like the two above it.  It's fun for people to bash because its made by a company that everyone loves to hate.  The jokes about RRoD were well deserved when it was a prevalant issue, but I think most can agree now that it's not anywhere NEAR as much of a problem as it used to be.  And now the RRoD jokes always come off as a lame attempt to defend the PS3. 

4.  The most annoying thing about your post is the "M$" thing.  The 90's called, they want their forum joke back. 

But anyway, thanks for your enlightening response to the article.  And by the way, posting this in the MS forum is obvious flame bait, and I really don't see the purpose of it anyway.




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ookaze said:

The astroturfers are out of the wood!
Couldn't expect less with that kind of article.

What's interesting about this article, is that it basically says that in trying to outdo Sony, they've outdone themselves too.

There are some LOL material in this article too :

"The future profits that the company once hoped for are now likely to wind up in Nintendo’s pockets."

And some excuses as usual:

"The terrifying part of the story is that this kind of problem — where technology fails and no one knows what to do about it — can happen to any company."

That is simply not true, like not true at all. MS is the only company that get excuses as stupid as these and get away with it.

Also, MS didn't sold through 9 millions XB360 at end of 2006.

 

I wish Sony would at least have come up with an excuse when I called because my ps2 disc drive broke.





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Jo21 said:
JaggedSac said:
kjj4t9rdad said:
Vista = crap
Zune = crap
360 = crap
M$ can't do anything right. Why do people still buy there products?

 

I have a Zune(won it from Live Search Club) and it works great.  I download audio and video podcasts and listen to tons of music at work.  Not sure what problems people have with it.  The software is great also.

I own a 360 and so far I have had 1 rrod and am still incredibly happy with it and will gladly purchase M$'s next console.

i had a zune 80gb very sturdy great graphical interfase, but got a HUGE blue dots all over the screen.

so i vote for zune = crap.

i will stick to japanese/korean brands thank you.

 

 

Yeah, because we NEVER see any crap products coming out of Japan or Korea!! 




The only exception is the 360 RROD which cant be down played, millions of 360s are defective and its an issue, but over all, still over blown.


still over blown when you say that millions of 360's are defective? Me no follow faulty logic.



Squilliam said:

OT: Nvidia recently fucked up and got a 40% failure rate on their GPUs. What does this mean? RROD could have happened to Sony just as easily. Its not that Microsoft is a screw up, its just that either Sony is Lucky or Microsoft is Unlucky depending on how you spin it. (Nvidia is the supplier of GPUs to Sony btw) 

 

When Nvidia does it, it's a "fuck up", but when MS does it, it's just them being "unlucky"?



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ookaze said:
MS is actually a very bad company, it has never innovated and always copy. But even that they can't do well, because actually :
Vista = bad copy of Mac OS X
Zune = bad copy of iPod
XB360 = bad copy of Playstation

Basically, their strategy revolves around "copy the leader", in everything they do.
Unfortunately, they're very bad at copying, as they don't understand what they are copying.
Also there's the second rule is "if you can't copy, steal it or destroy the author if he's isolated".
That's sad.

 

I don't mind the copying... but this is the problem:

Vista < Mac OS X

Zune < IPod

(XB360 is on par)

If you are going to copy someone, at least make it better then the copy. If you give the consumer am improvement over there other options, at least you did something.



zaphodile said:
Well, if you stay clear of hardware innovation like Nintendo, you wont have any problems :) lesson learned

 

Would you consider the Wii-mote a "software innovation" then?

The 360 internals are definitely not innovative hardware ('more' does not equal 'innovative'), although it can definitely horsepower some nice vsuals and game play experiences.

RRoD was an acceptable risk to the decision makers at MS.  Given they know the high likelihood of problems due to design considerations, they hedged that their fanbase would accept these problems.  And you know what, they have.  The killer overall is that the 360 fanbase is not indicative of neither the general population of game purchasers in 2008 (or 2003 for that matter).

 

 



The bottom line is that the Jasper model in september-october will be very stable. In my eyes,my Falcon is great,zero problems so far. The price cut is great also.

Now is the time Microsoft should have sold the Xbox 360 console in the first place...but it will be xbox1 vs ps2 all over again...

This Xmass is the time to shop for a 360 because there are plenty of people that have waited for RRoD to finally be fixed. I`m glad they finally did.



TheRealMafoo said:
ookaze said:
MS is actually a very bad company, it has never innovated and always copy. But even that they can't do well, because actually :
Vista = bad copy of Mac OS X
Zune = bad copy of iPod
XB360 = bad copy of Playstation

Basically, their strategy revolves around "copy the leader", in everything they do.
Unfortunately, they're very bad at copying, as they don't understand what they are copying.
Also there's the second rule is "if you can't copy, steal it or destroy the author if he's isolated".
That's sad.

 

I don't mind the copying... but this is the problem:

Vista < Mac OS X

Zune < IPod

(XB360 is on par)

If you are going to copy someone, at least make it better then the copy. If you give the consumer am improvement over there other options, at least you did something.

Any statement about Windows copying Mac OS is complete ignorance.  A research group at Xerox back in the 70's and 80's developed the windows type interface that BOTH operating systems use.  BOTH companies liked it and did their own take on it.  Apple made a cottage industry out of suing Microsoft back in the 80's claiming that Microsoft stole their Windows idea, when really they both took the idea from Xerox. And why is Vista<OSX?  It's the most stable version of Windows there has ever been after the bugs all got worked out.  And it's not under the tyranny of Steve Jobs telling you what you can and can't run as far as software.  I'll take Windows any day.

So the Zune is a copy of the iPod?  How about all the other MP3 players out there?  How about that Samsung Instinct?  Copy of the iPhone, right?  Are you honestly saying that the iPod is the only MP3 player that has a right to exist and that no other company should try to compete with it?  That's ridiculous.  There are jillions of other MP3 players out there that look like the iPod.  You only rip on MS because they're MS.  And for the record, the Zune is a better MP3 player than the iPod.

 




Domicinator said:

Any statement about Windows copying Mac OS is complete ignorance.  A research group at Xerox back in the 70's and 80's developed the windows type interface that BOTH operating systems use.  BOTH companies liked it and did their own take on it.  Apple made a cottage industry out of suing Microsoft back in the 80's claiming that Microsoft stole their Windows idea, when really they both took the idea from Xerox. And why is Vista

So the Zune is a copy of the iPod?  How about all the other MP3 players out there?  How about that Samsung Instinct?  Copy of the iPhone, right?  Are you honestly saying that the iPod is the only MP3 player that has a right to exist and that no other company should try to compete with it?  That's ridiculous.  There are jillions of other MP3 players out there that look like the iPod.  You only rip on MS because they're MS.  And for the record, the Zune is a better MP3 player than the iPod.

 

lol, you don't know me very well. I make my living as a Microsoft Developer, and have a CS degree. In order to get that, you need to take history of computing. I don't need to take history however to know about MS. I had a PC in 1980, and have owned every OS they have ever made. I have an MSDN license, and thus all MS software is available to me. I have evaluated, or utilized most of it.

MS does a lot of things well, very well. But there consumer offerings (not servers/dev tools) are all direct copies of competitors.

There is not enough time in the day to explain to you how OSX is better then Vista. Also comparing these OS's to what came out of Xerox PARC is ridiculous. Oh, and Steve Jobs asked Xerox if they could have the Alto 88's OS (and the mouse). Bill Gates then Stole the Mac design when Apple gave a prototype of the Mac to MS so they could write applications for it. If you think that's the same thing, you should be the last one throwing the word "ignorance" around.

And yes, the Instinct is a copy of the IPhone.