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ocnkng said:
TheBigFatJ said:
Krill said:
This will not end well. OT, I think your bet with DMeisterJ is safe barring a major adjustment with VGChartz figures

 

I thought my best last year with NJ5 was fairly safe too, but Nintendo managed to pull a lot of Wiis from their yellow cheek.  You never really know with bets, but it seems like the common trap people fall into in terms of market share is this: "the market share increased 0.1% and therefore it will reach (insert whatever I want to believe here)" rather than looking at the numbers and saying, "wow, the PS3 needs 2 million more sales beyond the standard 1 in 4 of each console sold to reach 25%."

For example, for the Wii to reach 50% by year's end, it needs to outsell the 360 and PS3 /combined/ by more than 200k per month and yet a lot of people think it can happen.

 

What does that mean?

I thought it was pretty obvious.

yellow = typically considered skin color for asians, which Japanese are and Nintendo is a Japanese company.
cheek = in this sense ass cheeks.

Thuse "pull a lot of Wiis from their [yellow asses]" is what he was implying.

Also, please don't say you found that offensive as that is just idiotic. Absolutely nothing in that is demeaning to anyone.

 

OT: Sony realized that they misjudged their target audience and what the majority of them are willing to pay. Obviously 10 million weren't waiting outside stores to pay $500+ for a PS3 as they originally thought. So, they re-evaluated the situation and realized that the $400 price range was a much better starting point. While MS was able to make overall smaller and cuts over time since they were already under the $300 range with their intitial sku.

Even though the PS3 had a bluray player, its perceived value for what its primary purpose is was not worth $500 to most consumers, thankfully for Sony they realized that early and made the right choice.



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superchunk said:

 

OT: Sony realized that they misjudged their target audience and what the majority of them are willing to pay. Obviously 10 million weren't waiting outside stores to pay $500+ for a PS3 as they originally thought. So, they re-evaluated the situation and realized that the $400 price range was a much better starting point. While MS was able to make overall smaller and cuts over time since they were already under the $300 range with their intitial sku.

Even though the PS3 had a bluray player, its perceived value for what its primary purpose is was not worth $500 to most consumers, thankfully for Sony they realized that early and made the right choice.

I don't think it was so much that Sony misjudged their audience so much as they misjudged the amount of pressure they would get from third parties to drop the price.  Six hundred bucks is perceived as way too expensive for a movie player by most people, even if it's a high definition movie player.  Particularly when BDs are so much more expensive than DVDs and DVDs still look fantastic on many HD TVs.

Sony didn't have a choice -- they were already losing *way* too much money on the PS3 even at $599.  They couldn't release it cheaper and still hope to make a profit this generation.  It wasn't Sony's plan to make the PS3 this expensive, it was Kutagari overestimating Sony's ability to manufacture.  He did with the PSP and he did even more with the PS3.  Kutagari failed, and in failing he set the blame at Sony's feet instead of his own.  Sony management wasn't getting sufficient feedback from him.

Even as such, they castrated their original vision of a machine.  Most notably, they cut the Cell from 2 cores to 1 core, which makes it less suitable toward general purpose CPU calculations and more difficult to program for.  Sony had to choose between several undesirable things: (1) make the system sell at a huge loss assuring they could never recover from it with the PS3, (2) redesign the system and basically sit this generation out, or offset their release schedule and try to make the PS3 last 1.5 generations intead of 1 or (3) keep the price high and try to sell fewer units at first, then lower the price as manufacturing allows.  They chose (3) because it would have the least impact on their third party partners who had PS3 projects in the works and plans to make PS3 games.  If they all had to switch to 360 development, it would have been even worse for Sony.

Also, you are correct: I was just trying to say they pulled a lot of Wiis out of their asses last time.  Typically one might use the phrase "white cheek" which probably makes more sense as that part of the body usually particularly untanned.  Although more tanned Asians also tend to look darker and less yellow just as more tanned caucasians tend to look darker and less white.  So perhaps it makes perfect sense.



forevercloud3000 said:

Is that not contradictory? If you had a single electronical device that could play your games, movies, music, etc you would use less power and heat. And the PS3 is super quiet, DVD players are much louder. You also would have more space because you would have less devices to manage. Your point is moot.

 

Both points are incorrect, the second point being incorrect due to a faulty assumption.

Point 1: Having an all-in-one electronic device does NOT lead to lower power consumption and heat.  The new PS3s use approximate 110 watts while playing a movie.  The Panasonic Blu-ray player, for example, uses 27 watts.  How would watching a movie on the PS3 consume less power and generate less heat than a device which is using approximately 1/4 the power?  If you're refering to standby power, that is very minimal.  Are you suggesting that you can use your PS3 for gaming AND movie watching at the same time?  On the same tv?

Point 2: I would not have more space by purchasing a PS3 over a standalone Blu-ray player.  I already have a standalone DVD player, as most Americans have in their living rooms, which I would simply replace with a Blu-ray player.  My standalone player is a much smaller profile than the PS3, so replacing it with a PS3 would consume "more" space.  Blu-ray players are of a similar form-factor to DVD players, so they make good replacement units.  Also, there isn't enough room in the space that my DVD player occupies, so I couldn't place a PS3 there even if I wanted to.

 



What does it mean? I means that the 360 started $200 cheaper than the PS3. That's it. Nothing more.



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