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tastyshovelware said:

So, as I've stated in the past, I am both a fan of ign and the modern day gaming review system. I know I am probably not in the majority with my feelings but whatever. With spore getting "slammed" with an 8.8 and gta 4 "undeservedly" snagging a 10 (from ign pc and ps3/360 respectively), there has been all sorts of upheaval about how game editors are all dumb, biases, whatever. The simple fact of the matter is, I'm 23, I've been gaming probably since the age of 5, and have long since stopped taking reviews quite as personally as some people seem to. So, here we go:

Did GTA 4 deserve a 10? To be honest, up until the release of GTA 4, I hadn't had much hands on experience since that 3rd installment of the series (though I did have extensive 'eyes on' viewing as my old college roommate played through San Andras'). In the past 7 years, the game hasn't seen any mind blowing alterations. However, there have been hundreds of refinements and additions that have helped to make GTA the experience it is today. Do I think the game deserves a 10 for merely refining a 7 year old formula? Sure, why not? After all, what is mario galaxy? It's mario 64 with some new bells and whistles. It holds the same visual style, same collect 120 stars to complete the game, same lack of story, same half working camera, same stage select hub (conceptually), same lead character, same villain, same health system. Yet, despite all these things staying the same, I, and many others consider it one of the best games of the last decade. Why? Cause some things just work. Even if I may not personally think GTA 4 should have received a 10, I can sure understand why someone would feel that way. However, even if it wasn't scored a 10, would it matter? Cause really, at the end of the day, there is no difference between a 9.0, a 9.5, and a 10. If someone likes a game enough to slap it with a 9.0, that means 'buy this game.' Heck, most reviewers think that any game that scores at least an 8.0 out of 10 is worth buying (with games scoring between a 6.0-7.9 being more cautionary purchases).

Yet, even with that, gamers everywhere have been throwing a fit over the spore 8.8. OMG, Megaton fail, an 8.8. Since when did an 8.8 become bad score? The fact is it's not, people just take things too personally. You see people on the boards saying "if GTA 4 got a 10, and MGS 4 got a 10, then spore should too. Spore is far more original then those 2 games." First of all, Jason Ocampo (who reviewed spore), reviewed neither GTA 4 nor MGS 4. So, apparently, gamers want him to score spore a certain way based upon what other reviewers said about other games. 2nd of all, originality isn't everything (sadly). If it were, 'magic pengal: the quest for color' would have seen 10's when it hit the ps2 5 years ago.

At the end of the day, like it or not, you should know how you feel about a certain type of game. Anyone who has been a gamer for at least 10 years should know whether or not they're going to be interested in a game like GTA 4. If they are, they should way the pros vs the cons of picking up said game. Go to gamerankings.com, read several reviews. See if any of the cons listed bug you as much as they do other people. Think for yourself and don't freak out when a game doesn't score the exact number that you had in your mind.

On one last thought, consider this. One of my guilty pleasures on the ps2 was a little title called "mr mosquito." The game scored a decent 7.5/10 on ign and a less impressive 68% on gamerankings.com. Now, how would I have scored "mr mosquito?" Probably around a 7.5. So, how could I give a game I liked so much such a medicore score? Cause, It's flawed. It's flawed in many of the ways review articles say it is. The graphics are drab, the game is too short, and there isn't much in terms of stage variety, yet at the same time, I get a kick out of it. Seeing the scores were helpful. I certainly would have been less likely to pick up the game had it scored a 5/10. What's more helpful though is knowning your own tastes as a gamer and yet being able to understand and respect the tastes of others.

I entered the thread expecting some naive rant about broken review systems and instead found an insightful post urging the need for gamers to use common sense. Well done :)

 



 
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MGS4>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>GTAIV



I still think they need to just get rid of the numbers and go for a streamlined set of adjectived. I've been parroting the FUDGE list for some time now: Superb, Great, Good, Fair, Mediocre, Poor, and Terrible. It's unambiguous, it's inflation-proof, it's basically impossible to hide bias, and it discourages this inane practice of directly comparing different games via review scores.



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I like the siskel and ebert idea. Just give it a yay or nay and that's it. Beyond that let people make the decision. Assigning a 7.9 or an 8.6 or a 9.234564367 is just arbitrary and pointless. Is it a good game or isn't it?



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No game ever made deserves a 10. It is just another tool that the Game Industry uses to get people psyched into buying their product.

Shame on me for thinking people have high standards.

I rate my own post a 1.2 or Blue Thumbs Mediocre.



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Picko said:

I entered the thread expecting some naive rant about broken review systems and instead found an insightful post urging the need for gamers to use common sense. Well done :)

 

The kind words are appreciated.



uno said:
No game ever made deserves a 10. It is just another tool that the Game Industry uses to get people psyched into buying their product.

See, yet another problem with numeric scoring: people who think the highest possible score implies perfection (which would make it useless, since he's right that no game is perfect; why include a score that will never be used?) Adjectives avoid the issue.



Complexity is not depth. Machismo is not maturity. Obsession is not dedication. Tedium is not challenge. Support gaming: support the Wii.

Be the ultimate ninja! Play Billy Vs. SNAKEMAN today! Poisson Village welcomes new players.

What do I hate about modern gaming? I hate tedium replacing challenge, complexity replacing depth, and domination replacing entertainment. I hate the outsourcing of mechanics to physics textbooks, art direction to photocopiers, and story to cheap Hollywood screenwriters. I hate the confusion of obsession with dedication, style with substance, new with gimmicky, old with obsolete, new with evolutionary, and old with time-tested.
There is much to hate about modern gaming. That is why I support the Wii.

^^

Well, I can't see why it's an issue. I've never seen anyone complain about a movie getting 4 stars because no movie can be perfect. A 10 simply means something's great and worth buying, that's it. People who try to find any greater meaning in it are simply over thinking.



Excellent and well-thought out post!
Shame it went immediately over some people's heads...



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flames_of said:
Excellent and well-thought out post!
Shame it went immediately over some people's heads...

 

meh...

 



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