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Didn't see her oral presentation, but, I think she is a religious coot and can't wait to see her stay Gov. of Alaska in 2009.



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The speech was alright. I give it a 6 or a 7 out of 10. It lacked real substance, and the only thing addressed that well was energy and to some degree the Iraq War.

Its pretty ridiculous to me that Palin acts like she is in a position to criticize someone else for lack of experience. I really dislike the Republicans' tendency to resort to fear politics. It takes the focus off the issues and just deteriorates into negative politics. She did have some good jabs at Obama about his record in the Senate.

The speech made it clear to me why I have never felt any connection whatsoever to the Republican party. I just don't believe in anything they represent except some of their energy policies. They gave up their advantage on economic issues quite a few years ago, so that is no longer an issue. McCain might get the party back on track in that respect.

The Republicans always get onto Obama for giving good speeches, but they could definitely learn a thing or two from him. I am more convinced than ever he is what the country needs right now rather than the what the Republicans have to offer after hearing Palin's speech.

But at least I won't slip into major depression if McCain gets elected vs. Bush getting another term. McCain at least won't dig the country into a deeper hole we are already in.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

TheRealMafoo said:
Oh, and I went to Obama's site, and read a few things. Not a real fan. Here is one thing that down right scars me:

Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

What does that mean? If you don't cover your kids, you go to jail? Get fined? What? Why does the government get to make that choice? Scary.

 

Read above it:

Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:

    1. Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
    2. Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
    3. Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
    4. Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
    5. Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
    6. Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
    7. Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
    8. Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.
  • National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
  • Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement, and will receive a new Small Business Health Tax Credit that helps reduce health care costs for small businesses.
  • Support for Small Businesses: Barack Obama will create a Small Business Health Tax Credit to provide small businesses with a refundable tax credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees. This new credit will provide a strong incentive to small businesses to offer high quality health care to their workers and help improve the competitiveness of America’s small businesses.

Assuming that children probably can't buy health insurance, I'm guessing it would work like free meals at schools.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

TheRealMafoo said:
Oh, and I went to Obama's site, and read a few things. Not a real fan. Here is one thing that down right scars me:

Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

What does that mean? If you don't cover your kids, you go to jail? Get fined? What? Why does the government get to make that choice? Scary.

You know the Senate was trying to expand free healthcare coverage for kids until Bush vetoed the bill?  We have a lot of problems with poorer kids not getting adequate healthcare in this country, and our infant mortality rates are downright bad. 

Seriously, this is the kind of thing I mean by fear tactics.  Do you honestly think that the House and Senate or the American public would let him do something that reasonable (which is of course assuming you interpreted what he meant correctly in the first place)?  People contort a noble goal into something out of 1984

If anyone has turned the government into an authoritarian monster it is the Bush Administration, who threw transparency out the window.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

superchunk said:
Didn't see her oral presentation, but, I think she is a religious coot and can't wait to see her stay Gov. of Alaska in 2009.

 

I want her to give me an oral presentation.



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steven787 said:
TheRealMafoo said:
Oh, and I went to Obama's site, and read a few things. Not a real fan. Here is one thing that down right scars me:

Mandatory Coverage of Children: Obama will require that all children have health care coverage.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/

What does that mean? If you don't cover your kids, you go to jail? Get fined? What? Why does the government get to make that choice? Scary.

 

Read above it:

Obama's Plan to Cover Uninsured Americans: Obama will make available a new national health plan to all Americans, including the self-employed and small businesses, to buy affordable health coverage that is similar to the plan available to members of Congress. The Obama plan will have the following features:

    1. Guaranteed eligibility. No American will be turned away from any insurance plan because of illness or pre-existing conditions.
    2. Comprehensive benefits. The benefit package will be similar to that offered through Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP), the plan members of Congress have. The plan will cover all essential medical services, including preventive, maternity and mental health care.
    3. Affordable premiums, co-pays and deductibles.
    4. Subsidies. Individuals and families who do not qualify for Medicaid or SCHIP but still need financial assistance will receive an income-related federal subsidy to buy into the new public plan or purchase a private health care plan.
    5. Simplified paperwork and reined in health costs.
    6. Easy enrollment. The new public plan will be simple to enroll in and provide ready access to coverage.
    7. Portability and choice. Participants in the new public plan and the National Health Insurance Exchange (see below) will be able to move from job to job without changing or jeopardizing their health care coverage.
    8. Quality and efficiency. Participating insurance companies in the new public program will be required to report data to ensure that standards for quality, health information technology and administration are being met.
  • National Health Insurance Exchange: The Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
  • Employer Contribution: Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small businesses will be exempt from this requirement, and will receive a new Small Business Health Tax Credit that helps reduce health care costs for small businesses.
  • Support for Small Businesses: Barack Obama will create a Small Business Health Tax Credit to provide small businesses with a refundable tax credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees. This new credit will provide a strong incentive to small businesses to offer high quality health care to their workers and help improve the competitiveness of America’s small businesses.

Assuming that children probably can't buy health insurance, I'm guessing it would work like free meals at schools.

 

I am not talking about that. What if I don't want health insurance for my children? Will I go to jail? Why is it the governments job to make sure I cover my kids? Heath insurance is a choice... well, at least it is today.



I agree akuma; I don't understand how people can want to deny that children get proper health care. It's not their fault their parents are poor, or losers, or whatever.

I am not for socialized medicine, but people who make this a political issue are dicks.

"Pro-life as long as at doesn't cost ME any thing"

 

Edit: at theRealMafoo:

No, you will not go to jail if you can't afford it; it will be paid for by subsidies.  If you can afford health insurance, then you already have it - even the very wealthy except maybe the top .01% need health insurance when it can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars if you get sick.

If you're trying to say something say it directly.  If you have a belief speak out, you're not doing your cause favors by taking a round about jab at the issue.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

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superchunk said:
Didn't see her oral presentation, but, I think she is a religious coot and can't wait to see her stay Gov. of Alaska in 2009.

 

 her religion and guns statement was targeted at people like you.

Besides Obama believes in something, he aligns himself with SOMETHING.. Whether is be Humanism, Islam, whatever you have to believe something. The fact he hides it seems more worrysome to me that someone being open about their beliefs. Unless she does something to inhibet others religous freedoms I do not see why you should be such a hater about it.



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bigjon said:
superchunk said:
Didn't see her oral presentation, but, I think she is a religious coot and can't wait to see her stay Gov. of Alaska in 2009.

 

 her religion and guns statement was targeted at people like you.

Besides Obama believes in something, he aligns himself with SOMETHING.. Whether is be Humanism, Islam, whatever you have to believe something. The fact he hides it seems more worrysome to me that someone being open about their beliefs. Unless she does something to inhibet others religous freedoms I do not see why you should be such a hater about it.



"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful." (Barack Obama Christianity Today, January 2008)

Criticizing someones beliefs is one thing, but attempting to mislead people is another.  I criticized Sarah Palins beliefs and how they fit in with American governing, because she said the War was a task from god. 

What exactly are you trying to imply?



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.