Kasz216 said:
pearljammer said:
bigjon said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
bigjon, what about the part of Leviticus that lists a bunch of things that are "tehovah" (meaning either "unclean" or "an abomination" depending on which completely separate translation your Bible goes by)?
Is everything that's tehovah the same amount of tehovah or are some things more tehovah than others?
Here are a few from the list:
Men having long hair.
Women having short hair.
Women letting their hair down.
Gay sex.
Without putting them into context (Leviticus doesn't), I'd assume that we should believe they are all equally as bad. So do they all send us straight to hell, or was this list the kind of thing that was just culturally accepted thousands of years ago but isn't relevant today?
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there are parts of Leviticus that are refferring directly to Israel and ancient life, even the most conservayive Biblicist agree to that. Like where is says a woman should not ride a camel for three day until after her period...
As far as the long hair thing I believe it is the principle behind it we should keep. Which is there should be a difference between the way a man looks and a woman looks. (Thus the reason the right hates Rosie O... lol)
The gay sex part is mentioned other places, and I believe it is not my place to judge others for it. It is between them and God. It really does not affect others around them (except in cases where they want to adopt) so people should leave them alone. As far as Murder, Stealing, Lieing, adultry, etc they do directly affect others and they is why I am more outspoken about it.
No I am not a buffet line Christian, I believe in the entire Bible. There are just certain legislative type laws in Levi that were made directly at the jews.
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I admit, I'm not very educated or familiar at all with the bible, but take for instance this Leviticus part, was this supposedly god's will transmitted through these people who had documented it? If so, regardless of the time, I would find it quite amusing to think of an almighty being saying:
"No woman shall ride a camel until three days after she has menstruated, for it is gross"
Second thing I'd like to mention, which is a tad bit more serious, is on the homosexual issue that is so rudely just refer to as gay sex (in general, not just by you). If you have anybody close to you that is gay, ask them why they chose to be gay. People have asked someone dear to me several times, and the response they always get is 'Why would I choose to be gay? To be make fun of so much, made the butt end of every joke, to be told I'm an abomination so often, having your parents reject you, to be physically threatened to the point where you fight it for the first 20 years of your life, refusing to accept it... why would anyone chose this life?' (Maybe not exactly those words, but very similar - heavy stuff... just trying to get a point across). I'm telling you, regardless of your belief, it's difficult to see that person you love so dearly as a liar.
I really don't want to get started on the adoption issue... I tend to get a bit carried away on this issue, I apologize.
edit: Whoops. Didin't realize the thread had died two days ago. I wouldn't have revived it.
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Not that it's gross... more that it's unsanitary.
I also believe that's why Jewish people have to eat Kosher foods. It was more a health concern, and what's the easiest way to get people to follow health concerns? Will of god. These foods named "unclean" also pose unique health risks. So were they seen as unclean because of people being struck with afflications after eating them?
Same with pork and cow restrictions, though admittidly it's just my own pet theory.
The ban on homosexuality has it's own basis in public policy as well.
Not the "ONO! GAY PEOPLE WILL DESTROY EVERYBODY LIKE THE ROMANS" type. (even though the Romans were more gay before they adopted Christianity and fell.)
More so... in that you've got a small, somewhat xenophobic but justifiable race of people.
So they are very outside. Which ancient Jewish people were... and even a lot of Orthodox Jewish people are. They don't want to marry off their kids to non Jews.
So then.. You have a small population, which makes every loss of an able bodied man or woman that much more dangerous to the pool. I mean, they didn't know gene pools back then... but they knew that you couldn't marry people too close to each other in family relations.
So no doubt they saw homosexuality as a big threat.
Sure it's mentioned later on in the bible... but i mean.... that's later on in the bible. After a while people just accept that stuff as the rule of law. So of course they'd repeat it.
The dietary stuff is mentioned later on in the bible as well i believe.
Technically if taking the entire bible as true Christians should not be eating Pigs and basicaly follow the Jewish diet... as it is still mentioned in the later testament.
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, it's just that it seems like such a petty thing to have to enforce an almighty will over.
