Let me quote your first post in this thread, and ultimately the first post in the thread:

"I know some of you crazies will spin this (some how) and I can't wait to see what you come up with so I can LOL."

So basically, you said, in the very first post no less, that other members (whoever they may be) are "crazies" and that their opinions are laughable. I don't know what to make of that. Stof's sarcasm was pretty provoked given thread after thread and post after post of you bashing other people and their beliefs. As for me being pissed off at life, I'm not. I'm pissed off at you, and you're simply a part of my life. But you won't be if you keep up this behavior.

While this is true, it is possible to be a Christian and pro-abortion at the same time; you'll just be wrong.  If Obama does indeed regard a baby prior to birth, then he would be committing murder.  If he doesn't, he isn't murdering; he's unwittingly killing.  Which isn't good, but at that, he wouldn't be guilty of anything.  This is, of course assuming he doesn't consider them human.

That's not to say I don't consider abortion wrong.

I do agree with you on everything else.  Take for example this statement of his (in reference to his acceptance of homosexuality),

"If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount, which I think is, in my mind, for my faith, more central than an obscure passage in Romans." 

That is ridiculously nonsensical.  What on Earth does obscurity (which the passage certainly does not possess) have to do with it being true?  If people don't quote at least five times a day, you can ignore it?  That's a rather shoddy method of selecting passages to adhere to (ignoring the fact that you're even selecting passages to begin with).

Sarah Palin is awesome, and more real than Obama.

Obama is the most far left presidential Candidate we've ever had.

Anyone who has sense should vote for McCain. McCain is a true American and has proven his dedication to his country further than most people ever will. He survived years of torture and stood for his country the entire time. He has a good service record both military and in the senate and is the only candidate who actually supports the only reasonable way to make the United States be the cleanest and greenest country in the world, and that is by replacing Coal Burning Power Plants which are responsible for a huge majority of all air pollution with Nuclear Power Plants which have zero emissions and take up the least space out of all clean power sources.

If you think abortion is murder, then you are more than entitled to that viewpoint.  But why should what you believe affect what other people do whenever there is a legitimate debate over whether or not a fetus is even alive until a certain point during pregnancy? 

You also don't have to bear the burden of having and raising that child, so why do you give a shit?  Just leave people alone and let them make the choices that are right for them.  It doesn't reflect on your morality positively or negatively.

And you are also making the assumption that what is said in the Bible is applicable to everyone in the country.  Why is that true?  Last time I checked we have a separation of church and state.

Because he's saying the Bible say it's wrong, and since Obama claims to be a Christian, he would hav to conclude likewise.

Also, the idea of us not interfering with anyone else's actions would kind of void any laws we have (not to mention, as a Christian, one is obligated to stem injustice).

Just like Bush is a true American?

Yeah he was a P.O.W. and I have the utmost respect for our military, but does that mean he's the right guy for President?

I don't want America to eternally occupy Iraq, I don't want this "United States, best country in the world" bullshit.  In case you didn't know, the rest of the world doesn't want another 4 years of Bush, and they pretty much hate America.

I don't know if Obama would be much better...but he's not another 4 years of Bush at least.

That's the worst logic I have ever heard in my life.  There is a difference in believing something yourself and adopting it as a social policy.  You can personally be against abortion but allow other people the freedom to make that choice for yourself.  Many people, including myself, adopt that viewpoint.  It isn't a black and white issue.

You just pulled the relativistic rabbit out of the hat in your second comment.  I am not even going to dignify it with a response because their is no coherent logic whatsoever to the statement.

Yes Bush is a true American.

And about America occupying Iraq, just so you know if we left now it would be one of the shortest amounts of time that U.S. troops have occupied a foreign country other than the first Gulf War, here are some statistics for you:

Cuba - United States troops are now in the 110th anniversary of their occupation of Cuba at Gautanamo Bay since the Spanish-American War in 1898

Philipeans - Same as above

Germany - U.S. Troops have been here since the D-Day invasion in World War 2, that is now 64 years ago.

Korea - U.S. Troops have been in South Korea since the Korean War which was in 1950, and just counting the time since the war started that is now 58 years.

Afghanistan - U.S. Troops have now been in Afghanistan for a measly 7 years.

Iraq - U.S. Troops have now been in Iraq for 5 years.

The United States also has bases in many other countries across the world for much longer.

Anyone expecting U.S. troops to only be in a country for a short amount of time is obviously very un-informed when it comes to military occupation and bases in foreign countries so should not be making opinions on the topic, and it would actually be very unusual if a quick pullout occured or even a pullout at all.

Also I am highly against Barrack Obama's views as he is the most liberal presidential candidate we've ever had and also the most liberal Senator in the United States and he supports many socialist things which to me Socialism and Communism are just as bad if not worse than Fascism.

John McCain also supports many things energy related that would be very good for the U.S. economy and also lead down a progressive green road even more environmentally friendly than anything the Democrats have come up with without being some ridiculous psychotic plan like stopping using technology.

Only, the government has.  You know how the First Amendment allows the free right of religious practice, yes?  But you'll notice that right isn't extended to human-sacrificing religions, no matter how sincere their adherents may be.  Of course we force our values onto others.  Again, that is what law does, does it not?  Furthermore, it is his personal belief to put a stop to such things like that, to interfere, as it were, with other people's actions; he believes for himself that it should be stopped.  Notice how both statements can be compatible.

Also, if you thought, for example, that your next door neighboor was about to back over a kid in the driveway, wouldn't you try to stop him in just about anyway, even if he believed there was no kid of which he might back over (poor example, but you get the idea).  If so, then you must conclude that one can indeed force your beliefs onto someone else.

How is my first statement in anway illogical? This is the argument: A.  To be a Christian, one must agree with all the Bible.  B.  Obama disagrees with the Bible.  C.  Therefore, Obama is not a Christian.  That completely follows (I'm not saying the premises are necessarily true, though, just that it would follow).

@Bigjon: I am 100% pro-life.  If a woman in my life wanted to get an abortion, I would advise her against it.  There is religious debate about when life begins, I believe it begins at conception but I also believe it is not a issue for the government to decide.

I vote democrat.  Abortion isn't the only issue.

I don't see how using force to prevent or punish people who sin is in the new testament.  That is old testament (pre-Talmud) stuff.

When Jesus saw hurt or starving people what did he do? He fed them and healed them.  When he saw a sinner, did he ask for them to go to jail? Christianity and Judaism (including books outside of the Torah) are about more then just what not to do, they are guides to many aspects of life.

Although I am not Christian, there are some very good lessons about government in the life of Jesus Christ.  Including:

He explained the difference between the roles of religion and government to the pharisees.  And most importantly, he showed how an innocent man can be put to death by the state.  It is God's place to judge in matters of life and death.

Let's not mix politics and religion.  Jesus didn't want us to.  Late Rabbinical Scholars and Prophets didn't want us to.  And the Forefathers of the U.S. didn't want us to.

Stop insulting people with statements that are just meant to be inflammatory or disrespectful of other people's beliefs.  You can state yours without attacking others.  Now, if I say something crazy like "Abortion is wholesome and righteous", "The Republicans are all stupid", "The War in Iraq is God's task for the U.S.", or "You can't be a christian and a liberal" then you are welcome to attack me.

You still didn't answer my question Bigjon: What were you trying to imply when you were faning ignorance about Obama's religion?