That's exactly what I was saying on the first page about the red lights. If the red lights are used for many different errors, then the only way to completely stop it from happening would be to use a different way to display errors.

 RRoD is a thing of the present. Understand that and you won't seem stupid by arguing against fact with no proof behind your arguement.

Smaller GPU means less power consumption and LESS heat coming from that chip. Now,with less heat,the motherbord does not bend and the solder is not stressed anymore. The rrod is a long process,when from all that motherboard bending,the solder gives up and rrod appears.

And with the Falcon,a special glue made by ATI (epoxy resin if your care) is applies to the GPU to make sure it DOES NOT stress the solder (this should have been done from the start,but MS wanted to save 50 million $ and from this the RRoD madness). After that,a passive cooler is applyed on the GPU so the heat will be transfered in the area where it will be blown out of the console. With the Jasper model,everything will be cooler.

Any more complaints? Any more hardware details you want to know? Please,don`t be shy.

 No one trusts a company because they cannot be trusted. A corporation, by law, has to make as much profit as possible. A corporation is like a person (well, technically, a corporation IS a person) who has no conscience.

In fact, when a corporation gets to Sony's size it's very much impossible for it to have a conscience. Why? Because Howard Stringer isn't incharge. Neither is Kaz Hirai, or any of the other high-rollers. The people incharge of a corporation are the stock-holders. The people who look at the graphs, and they shout "buy, buy, buy" or "sell, sell, sell" depending on what they see. And they get very angry when they see something they don't like in a corporation that they have stock in, and so Howard's nice job, and cozy flat are on the line.

Essentially, if Sony wanted to be nice, and sell at a loss because it would benefit their customers. Every single person who was involved in that decision would be out on their arse within days. It's because of stock holders that we have so many issues with our planet's environment. Many of these corporation's chairmen would like to become more green and help out the planet, but the vultures who care about nothing more than the profit margins prevent it from happening.

(I believe that it's also impossible to have a democracy that uses this corporate model. As, eventually, a few corporations will become very powerful, and very rich, and they have the means to get politicians to vote for the things that they support. This means that even in a democracy, the rich are still the powerful, and that isn't democracy. (I expect to see nordlead use his new influence around this site very shortly, I mean, he's already got TalonMan making changes for him)).

Well I agree w/ your premise, OP. I have a Xenon and no RROD just a drive problem whicj I fixed myself and it has given me no problems. BTW, I should mention the 65/65 nm Valhalla CPU/GPU chip which WILL erase these problems.

MS has worked hard to improve the issue and it should no longer be an issue to anyone when considering the 360. You can tell because the RROD noise on forums has dwindled down considerably. It isn't 2006 anymore =/

All you did was repeat what I've already read on the first page. Is that all you know? So me the proof where it says the RROD is directly and only caused by a worn solder? do it. If you can, then you got me convinced. Unfortunately, for you, RROD can be caused by many issues within the 360, even ones that have not existed on previous models.

Like I said, everything you've said is just speculation. I'll PM you, when the first Jasper model RRODs and is posted on the internet.

I will make a bet with any of you that the new jasper hardware revision will not be clear of any hardware issues that can render the 360 as unplayable, including the RROD. If you have over 500 posts or is stan85, i'll give up my avatar control and sig control for a year if there are no problems within a year of it's official release and vice versa if there is.

Assuming that the 360 is much more reliable than before is logical and reasonable, claiming that there will be no more problems after a model is released is irresponsible, and will be payed for.

You are comparing 0.2 percent failure rate with 33 percent. There is.. quite the difference.

And for the record. My (close to) launch ps1 still works. So does my ps2. I personally have had no issues with either. That doesn't mean that everyone else didn't either though..

If you don't get my point i'm saying, that even if you don't have the problem.. many other people could.

Oh and there are two l's in sell.

Fine. I have a friend that fixes them. He applyes the Xclamps on the GPU after heating it and voila,the solder re-touches the motherbord and no more RRoD. I`m not going to lie and say " i fix them myself" , but if you have a question,i will ask him and give you his reply. And btw,the bottom memory on the motherbord is not cooled as far as i know,that in a few cases led to rrod. Now with the 60 gb and jasper model,they have dropped that and doubled the capacity of the memory on thetop of the motherbord,where it`s cooled. Good job,MS.

Jasper will probably take your rrod nighmares away,while 2009-2010 Walhalla cip (65 nm cpu,65 nm gpu all in one super chip) will probably make you buy a 360 and stop your hate on MS and it`s products.

And google the 360 rrod cause,i`m not going to bother convincing you about the cause , when i have explained it to you in detail and told you how things work internally. You seem to know more than i do,don`t you?

Like i said,nothing more i can do.

So you've taken your screwdriver and probed inside her? Nice.

OT: Why is this about the Falcons? Everyone knows that these motherboards have a lesser chance of RRODing on you for right now. Where is all the Jasper talk? I thought THOSE were the ones that can't RROD on you...unless I'm missing something, and yes, I know the Jasper units have not been sold to the general public yet.