@vlad
how the fuck am i trying to discredit anyone? "you thought himself" doesnt make any sense, so i said i dont know what hes trying to say. so why dont you just stfu.

I don't know how hard it is to interpret that into "You thought of this yourself?"but apparently it is.

To be honest I didn't understand that line too first time I read it, untill you interpretated. The rest of his pieces I could make out general lines of what he was saying, or at least what his point was.

In you're previous post you mentioned the colonialism of Europe. It's true, we did butt in several foreign country's where we either "traded" resources or took slaves. The Netherlands for instance had Indonesia as a colony and when they wanted their independence, the Dutch send infantry there to keep the rebellion under control (1949).

Indonesia eventually gained their independence and you know who they can thank for? The US. Through the UN they proclaimed the Dutch where to leave all colony's if they so wish. They did this through diplomacy, and it worked! They should now try something similair in southern Russia.

@Ziss:

I find it funny how you call my opinion biased while I believe that the Dutch media has less to gain through propoganda then you're Russian media. Apart from the fact that a Dutch cameraman got killed. In Gori. By Russian mortar fire.

This may come as a shock to you but when Putin was re-elected, independent election overseers berated the government for their strict control on the media. I doubt with the current conflict at hand, the media would be less biased. Have you even tried to check around the internet on other sites, from any other country other then Russian ones?

Besides, what you know purely on the place where you live hardly matters anymore in the current IT-generation... Unless you are smack-dab in the middle of the fight zone.

quite funny, actually even the dutch media pointed out the attack from the western governments ( Navo/Usa ) against russia in favor for georgia

Well they could of invaded and had a bloodier more drawn out battle that likely would of killed more people... and split Japan north and south between Russia and the US....

Pretty much making the "Japanese Miracle" impossible... leaving japan in shambles no where near where it is today and close to a country like Vietnam in stature.

Which of course would mean no videogame systems.

The Nuclear attack actually worked out to be the better solution.

You can debate the second bomb... but the first one kinda saved Japan's ass in retrospect.  Had Russia gotten hold of the North... they would not be in a good situation... and probably have some sort of created enthinic clash, since it seems like every state seems to have an ethnic clash after the Russians moved in.  They love to pit races who used to get along together against each other for their own gain...

like the current situation actually where the Ossetians and Georgians used to be best friends, living together, marrying etc.  Then the Soviet Union rolls in and suddenly nobody likes each other afterwords.

You know who else didn't drink?

Hitler.  (and me for that matter.  Not anymore anyway.  Outside of the occasional vodka/whisky at special occasions.

Also... for those people argueing Russia hasn't done anything wrong...

You guys do realize the only reason the Ossetians want independence in the first place is because of the very intentional race baiting the soviet union imposed on Georgia right?

That before Russia turned it's eye to georgia the Gerogians and South Ossetians lived together in peace and never had any race problems... right?

I mean... you don't think it's coincidence that everywhere the soviet union went race problems popped up out of nowhere, when there used to be none.

Korea, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan etc... America didn't start any of those conflicts themselves, they didn't create any of the warring factions or any of the problems between those factions like what the Russians did.

What the Russians did was much worse. They not only lit the fuse... they were the ones who made the bomb in the first place.

 With global warming, we won't need your oil, anyway.

He was also a vegetarian. I knew that when I posted it, but as I don't drink aswell I didn't want to be associated so close to the man ;).

@Kasz
I'm Not arguing that the Russians didn't do anything. I'm just arguing against the opposition of Russia's move. I really can't think of many that have been peaceful and haven't messed up in their foreign policies. It just so happens that Russia's and US's screw ups are a lot more recent and since people don't like history as much as others forget about previous events.

As for the atomic bomb. In war, I expect military personnel to die, as bad as that sounds. I expect someone in a navy ship to be gone. On the other hand I don't expect that kids in school will get obliterated by a nuclear bomb. I don't expect people going to the market to get torn apart.