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xman said:
321tttrini4everz said:
xman said:
321tttrini4everz said:
PS3 WILL BE COMPETING WITH THE NEXT GEN CONSOLES(wii2 and 720) !
i really don't believe a PLAYSTATION 4 will be seen until 2014.if so it will be expensive like the PS3,i doubt SONY will approach the market that way again

The PS3 graphics are no better than the 360, of MS launches a new console and WII does Sony has no choice but to offer one or die. Even the PS2 is finally on its last throughs. The PS3 is no PS2

 

wtf ??? who said anything about PS3 having better graphics than 360 ???? gamecube and 360 graphics are better than PS2..PS2 is still selling great,where is gamecube and xbox ????

 

and yes PS3 has better graphics than 360,you are misinformed

 

 

I am not misinformed I have a 360 and my best firend has a PS3. Name one Mutiplat game that looks better on the PS3? And if you do then I can name one on the 360. Again GOW2 won for bestr graphics at E3 an MS game. Its a draw no matter what you try and say

 

who said anything about PS3 having better graphics than the 360 Blazinhead89 who I am talking to. Yeah Gamecube was a dud had nothing to do with graphics it had to do with third party supportm and PS2 is selling less than 360 currently and will continue its decline into a graceful retirment as one of the all time greats.

This conversation if you look back is the PS3 is no PS2.

 

my account name is not Blazinhead89.......third party, platformer, whatever,PS3 is already out-performing 360 in sales and graphics.....gears of war 2 best at e3 (graphics) ? who cares ? your friend got a PS3 and you got a 360 huh, great way to defend yourself,i do beleive you on that...but i wouldn't believe you if you say your friend got GRAN TURISMO 5 PROLOGUE.....it is the best visual and no console could deliver graphics like that.....



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All im saying is PS3 caught up with 360 pretty fast after its bad 1st year. The height of PS2 graphics came with God Of war 2 imo, which was near the end of PS2s mainstreamm life cycle. This is why i think because PS3 = 360 or PS3>>> 360 ( whatever your opionion is) at this stage of PS3 life cycle Ps3 will soon overtake 360 graphically,



Honestly I see 0 point in a new Playstation. I am perfectly happy with the Playstation 3s graphics. They are very on par with the best of the PC world still, its not like the 360 where you look at the 360, then look at the PC version and go WHOA that 360 version is gimped (ala Mass Effect or Gears of War). The Playstation 3 is significantly more powerful and FAR more scalable then the 360. It is also well placed for what the future of gaming is, multiple processor systems with distributed computing as the engine that drives the games. Look at Intel demos of Nilhelm (probably spelled wrong) 8 core systems that are not much more powerful then the PS3 driving fully dynamic graphics WITHOUT any GPU at all. The PS3 can continue to grow in capability as more developers learn how to efficiently use the extra cores. The 360 has hit a wall with its limited 3 processor design, there is no real way theoretical or otherwise that it will keep up with the potential of the PS3.

I know some of you are thinking OMG the PS3 games look the same!!! but you are looking at mainly multiplat releases made for both (which means the graphics in something like GTA4 were reduced so they could fit on a DVD, MS charges extra PER DVD if you go over 1 DVD, read a few developers comments on that). Games that really start to tap the power of the PS3 like Metal Gear Solid 4 look on par with anything the best PCs run, and that will continue to be the case for several years.

Also look at what you get today for 3-4000 dollars in a gaming PC that you cannot get with a PS3 level PC (probably around 1000 dollar gaming PC). You can turn AA up (it is often quite hard to really tell the difference AA makes), can add more complex shadow effects (again, not a huge deal 99% of the time) and do other little adjustments which are not exactly key selling points. What is the new 360 tagline going to be in 2010? Get a new 500 dollar console! We have 8x AA instead of 2x AA and better shadow effects! This isn't the PS1/PS2 generation where there are huge obvious gains to be made. Games like Uncharted and Metal Gear 4 are pretty close to photorealistic already, its not like a small increase or even "large" increase in graphics would be perceptable at this stage to most people even those with 42 inch 1080P TVs (the real high end of the mass market. I would bet less then 5% of all consumers have a 50 inch or larger TV with 1080P or better). Until something like VR comes along and the processor power beyond the PS3 is REALLY needed, I don't see the Playstation brand needing a big refresh any time soon.

Yes the 360 needs a refresh, especially as the PS3 pulls ahead thanks to blu ray/better capacity, but how do you do that? I mean to upgrade to something as good or better then the PS3 the 360 would need to sacrifice its ONLY advantage, which is its North America install base. The Wii will have a reason to upgrade, getting Nintendo characters in HD with better motion controls (probably a PS3 eqiv Wii in a few years at the same 200-250 price point), but the 360? Microsoft, unless they can SEVERELY leap frog Sony with something like VR, will go right back to the Xbox days where they were a little more powerful then the previously released PS system, but there wasn't nearly enough of a difference to drive sales. PS2 to Xbox is what the PS3 will be to the Xbox 720 if its released in the next 3 years. Better, but only on a shrug your shoulders and keep your old console capacity.




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xman said:
obieslut said:
blazinhead89 said:
@Xman, lol, sorry but I think Killzone2 is Superior graphically, and I dislike Gow camera, its like its confused whether to be 1st or third person, also controls are sluggish for Gow1 ( maybe GOW2 will change, i dont know). This is all IMO

 

GOW is God Of War

GeOW is Gears Of War

 

just thought i would let you know


GOW will always be Gears of war to me..

well then you are a dud. GOW is god of war and being as god of war was around before the unreal taunamnet rip off so you are clearly wrong.

it is GeOW. Ge= Gears. O= Of. W= War

GOW. G=God. O=Of. W=War



321tttrini4everz said:
xman said:
321tttrini4everz said:
xman said:
321tttrini4everz said:
PS3 WILL BE COMPETING WITH THE NEXT GEN CONSOLES(wii2 and 720) !
i really don't believe a PLAYSTATION 4 will be seen until 2014.if so it will be expensive like the PS3,i doubt SONY will approach the market that way again

The PS3 graphics are no better than the 360, of MS launches a new console and WII does Sony has no choice but to offer one or die. Even the PS2 is finally on its last throughs. The PS3 is no PS2

 

wtf ??? who said anything about PS3 having better graphics than 360 ???? gamecube and 360 graphics are better than PS2..PS2 is still selling great,where is gamecube and xbox ????

 

and yes PS3 has better graphics than 360,you are misinformed

 

 

I am not misinformed I have a 360 and my best firend has a PS3. Name one Mutiplat game that looks better on the PS3? And if you do then I can name one on the 360. Again GOW2 won for bestr graphics at E3 an MS game. Its a draw no matter what you try and say

 

who said anything about PS3 having better graphics than the 360 Blazinhead89 who I am talking to. Yeah Gamecube was a dud had nothing to do with graphics it had to do with third party supportm and PS2 is selling less than 360 currently and will continue its decline into a graceful retirment as one of the all time greats.

This conversation if you look back is the PS3 is no PS2.

 

my account name is not Blazinhead89.......third party, platformer, whatever,PS3 is already out-performing 360 in sales and graphics.....gears of war 2 best at e3 (graphics) ? who cares ? your friend got a PS3 and you got a 360 huh, great way to defend yourself,i do beleive you on that...but i wouldn't believe you if you say your friend got GRAN TURISMO 5 PROLOGUE.....it is the best visual and no console could deliver graphics like that.....

Yeah sure it is, madden outsold on which system again?  You are stating the PS3 graphics are better I am siting un biased people unlike you saying PS3 has better graophics cause I say so. 

Yeah my firend has a PS3, WII and 360 actually I am not defending myself I am staing facts something your arguements seem to lack.  Feel free to think what you like dosent make it true..

 



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obieslut said:
xman said:
obieslut said:
blazinhead89 said:
@Xman, lol, sorry but I think Killzone2 is Superior graphically, and I dislike Gow camera, its like its confused whether to be 1st or third person, also controls are sluggish for Gow1 ( maybe GOW2 will change, i dont know). This is all IMO

 

GOW is God Of War

GeOW is Gears Of War

 

just thought i would let you know


GOW will always be Gears of war to me..

well then you are a dud. GOW is god of war and being as god of war was around before the unreal taunamnet rip off so you are clearly wrong.

it is GeOW. Ge= Gears. O= Of. W= War

GOW. G=God. O=Of. W=War


lol sorry obie its an insult to God of War lol, GOW( God of War )>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GeOW IMO. jeez they even ripped off part of the Name lol

blazinhead89 said:
All im saying is PS3 caught up with 360 pretty fast after its bad 1st year. The height of PS2 graphics came with God Of war 2 imo, which was near the end of PS2s mainstreamm life cycle. This is why i think because PS3 = 360 or PS3>>> 360 ( whatever your opionion is) at this stage of PS3 life cycle Ps3 will soon overtake 360 graphically,

 

Not saying its not possible have not seen it to date, and the 360 still has untapped horseower also.



PS3, WII and 360 all great systems depends on what type of console player you are.

Currently playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, Halo ODST and Dragon Age Origins is next game

Xbox live:mywiferocks

Insanestalker2 said:
Well i heard that the ps3 uses 6/8 of the cells. One for power and one is just not used... If they could use the 7th cell then I think it would be alright as the ps4... Its just a guess.

 

i actually agree kind of. They could unlock the 8th processor, and like what they did with the PSP, they could overclock them (not sure if its a good idea, considering it would make even more heat).

They could also release an upgrade for it expanding the RAM to 1gb, and maybe adding a bit more graphical processoring power or even a weakened version of the cell (3 SPEs at 3.2ghz) and the orginal PPE would still manage these new SPEs.

If they did both of these things, and along with price, and by this time, developer being able to develop easily for the PS3, they could keep up for a bit more and still be a challenge toward the next-gen consoles. 



Impulsivity said:

Honestly I see 0 point in a new Playstation. I am perfectly happy with the Playstation 3s graphics. They are very on par with the best of the PC world still, its not like the 360 where you look at the 360, then look at the PC version and go WHOA that 360 version is gimped (ala Mass Effect or Gears of War). The Playstation 3 is significantly more powerful and FAR more scalable then the 360. It is also well placed for what the future of gaming is, multiple processor systems with distributed computing as the engine that drives the games. Look at Intel demos of Nilhelm (probably spelled wrong) 8 core systems that are not much more powerful then the PS3 driving fully dynamic graphics WITHOUT any GPU at all. The PS3 can continue to grow in capability as more developers learn how to efficiently use the extra cores. The 360 has hit a wall with its limited 3 processor design, there is no real way theoretical or otherwise that it will keep up with the potential of the PS3.

I know some of you are thinking OMG the PS3 games look the same!!! but you are looking at mainly multiplat releases made for both (which means the graphics in something like GTA4 were reduced so they could fit on a DVD, MS charges extra PER DVD if you go over 1 DVD, read a few developers comments on that). Games that really start to tap the power of the PS3 like Metal Gear Solid 4 look on par with anything the best PCs run, and that will continue to be the case for several years.

Also look at what you get today for 3-4000 dollars in a gaming PC that you cannot get with a PS3 level PC (probably around 1000 dollar gaming PC). You can turn AA up (it is often quite hard to really tell the difference AA makes), can add more complex shadow effects (again, not a huge deal 99% of the time) and do other little adjustments which are not exactly key selling points. What is the new 360 tagline going to be in 2010? Get a new 500 dollar console! We have 8x AA instead of 2x AA and better shadow effects! This isn't the PS1/PS2 generation where there are huge obvious gains to be made. Games like Uncharted and Metal Gear 4 are pretty close to photorealistic already, its not like a small increase or even "large" increase in graphics would be perceptable at this stage to most people even those with 42 inch 1080P TVs (the real high end of the mass market. I would bet less then 5% of all consumers have a 50 inch or larger TV with 1080P or better). Until something like VR comes along and the processor power beyond the PS3 is REALLY needed, I don't see the Playstation brand needing a big refresh any time soon.

Yes the 360 needs a refresh, especially as the PS3 pulls ahead thanks to blu ray/better capacity, but how do you do that? I mean to upgrade to something as good or better then the PS3 the 360 would need to sacrifice its ONLY advantage, which is its North America install base. The Wii will have a reason to upgrade, getting Nintendo characters in HD with better motion controls (probably a PS3 eqiv Wii in a few years at the same 200-250 price point), but the 360? Microsoft, unless they can SEVERELY leap frog Sony with something like VR, will go right back to the Xbox days where they were a little more powerful then the previously released PS system, but there wasn't nearly enough of a difference to drive sales. PS2 to Xbox is what the PS3 will be to the Xbox 720 if its released in the next 3 years. Better, but only on a shrug your shoulders and keep your old console capacity.

 

Again I refer to Moores law in previous arguments.  If MS and WII launch new consoles PS3 will have to im my opinion the lifecyle for a console is 5-6 years even sony launched the PS3 before its 10 year PS2 lifecyle end.



PS3, WII and 360 all great systems depends on what type of console player you are.

Currently playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, Halo ODST and Dragon Age Origins is next game

Xbox live:mywiferocks

obieslut said:
xman said:
obieslut said:
blazinhead89 said:
@Xman, lol, sorry but I think Killzone2 is Superior graphically, and I dislike Gow camera, its like its confused whether to be 1st or third person, also controls are sluggish for Gow1 ( maybe GOW2 will change, i dont know). This is all IMO

 

GOW is God Of War

GeOW is Gears Of War

 

just thought i would let you know


GOW will always be Gears of war to me..

well then you are a dud. GOW is god of war and being as god of war was around before the unreal taunamnet rip off so you are clearly wrong.

it is GeOW. Ge= Gears. O= Of. W= War

GOW. G=God. O=Of. W=War

Yeah I am a dud great argument

 



PS3, WII and 360 all great systems depends on what type of console player you are.

Currently playing Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2, Fallout 3, Halo ODST and Dragon Age Origins is next game

Xbox live:mywiferocks