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i believe the problem with the ps3 launch where ken kutaragy saying a lot of crazy things and the 600 price tag, i still wander why some people think price is not a relevant factor. Also they wanted to push unproved technology down our throat, the b-ray is cool but hd is too new . i don't get why did sony took the cell when they didn't have a tool developing team as good as MS does, that is something the ps3 needed before coming out , cus of the cell is complex architecture.



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Sony should put out a far more powerful machine than the PS3 next gen.
PS have to keep improving.
it is worth. you just have to be patient



if they really are hoping for a 10 year cycle for the ps3 then they will probably release the ps4 in 8 years after the ps3 launch. i wonder if broadband downloads will be widely used.

but, if they are still using disks for storage - safe assumption that it will be blu ray, in that case - then the only thing that i really hope for is a faster bluray drive. the load times are ridiculous right now.



Deneidez said:
greenmedic88 said:
If Sony goes with an evolutionary hardware design (Wii, 360), rather than starting from a clean sheet of paper (PS2, PS3), from a tech marketing standpoint, the PS4 may not sound as impressive, but so long as it delivers in terms of software, it should be very possible to produce a system that can be sold at a profit for under $400. That's simply by relying upon the natural evolution of semiconductors in memory, CPU and GPUs.

Rather than shooting for the moon with an attempt to reinvent the wheel (and market it as such), simply rely upon the established fact that more performance/data processing capability will be available for less money over time.

Make modest claims about the performance in theory, while consistently outperforming those modest consumer expectations in practice. It would would mean adopting the opposite strategy Sony has followed over the last two console generations where unrealistic claims were made about the hardware that were not realized through the software.

Concentrate for now on continually reducing the production price (as it's being done) as fast as possible to improve profitability until production costs reach a point at which a significant reduction at retail can be made to expand the general user base.

Sony doesn't need a PS4 for that.

Of course a PS4 is still inevitable.

If Sony learns anything from the current generation, it will focus on making the console more accessible from a user interface standpoint and more importantly, from a financial standpoint. It all depends upon the size of the user base they're shooting for: most won't pay even $400 for a new console.

They'll have to make it cheaper than the PS3, and they'll have to sell it either cost, or at a small profit right from the beginning.

Well, this is about all I think about the matter... Also I am quite sure that nintendos success will shape all consoles in next gen somehow.

 

@HappySqurriel

They really can't just use multiple CELLs in PS4 and if they are going to make new one that is based on CELL, it would cost quite nicely(again). Of course it would be easy to reuse code that was used with PS3, but still it would introduce even greater problems for new developers.

It all depends on how they change the Cell to make the CPU for the PS4 ...

In the early days of the Cell processor it was assumed that the PS3 wouldn't have a GPU and would have multiple Cell Processors instead; I can't be certain, but I suspect that many of the design decisions early on would have been focused on this and I wouldn't be surprised to see that you could use the Cell processor as a "Single Core" in a multi-core processor. Beyond that, if you have at least one Power Processor Core and at least 6 SPEs it should be fairly easy to add additional cores to the processor and maintain backwards compatibility; hypothetically speaking, Sony could do something drastic like include hundreds of Stream Processors with how well suited they are for physics calculations.



mtofu said:

if they really are hoping for a 10 year cycle for the ps3 then they will probably release the ps4 in 8 years after the ps3 launch. i wonder if broadband downloads will be widely used.

but, if they are still using disks for storage - safe assumption that it will be blu ray, in that case - then the only thing that i really hope for is a faster bluray drive. the load times are ridiculous right now.

 

Actually if you look at the history of Sony consoles, they launch a new console about every 5 to 6 years. The PS1 launched in December of 1994, the PS2 in March of 2000, and the PS3 in November of 2006. The PS4 will probably hit in 2011 or 2012 based on Sony's prior history.



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HappySqurriel said:

It all depends on how they change the Cell to make the CPU for the PS4 ...

In the early days of the Cell processor it was assumed that the PS3 wouldn't have a GPU and would have multiple Cell Processors instead; I can't be certain, but I suspect that many of the design decisions early on would have been focused on this and I wouldn't be surprised to see that you could use the Cell processor as a "Single Core" in a multi-core processor. Beyond that, if you have at least one Power Processor Core and at least 6 SPEs it should be fairly easy to add additional cores to the processor and maintain backwards compatibility; hypothetically speaking, Sony could do something drastic like include hundreds of Stream Processors with how well suited they are for physics calculations.

Only CELL like architecture without GPU sounds nice as a concept. But when you think about it a bit better there will be more problems with that one. For example what happens to graphical api? You would have to make it all by yourself or someone would have to make whole new api. What would happen to shaders? & so on... You would have to do much more work with it and because games are getting enourmous today it might be too much for some devs. Also you know how fast today GPU:s are? And how unbeatable they are when it comes to 3D graphics(raster), thats mainly because they are made only for that purpose.

I wonder can CELL even beat RSX rendering power? (If you have some articles about this one, I would be highly interested in those.)



I personally hope for a powerful system, but I also pray that they don't try to force-feed a new format down our throats again. Blu-Ray technology should be nice and cheap at that point so they should probably be able to assemble a real juggernaut without exceeding the launch price of the PS3.



Deneidez said:

Only CELL like architecture without GPU sounds nice as a concept. But when you think about it a bit better there will be more problems with that one. For example what happens to graphical api? You would have to make it all by yourself or someone would have to make whole new api. What would happen to shaders? & so on... You would have to do much more work with it and because games are getting enourmous today it might be too much for some devs. Also you know how fast today GPU:s are? And how unbeatable they are when it comes to 3D graphics(raster), thats mainly because they are made only for that purpose.

I wonder can CELL even beat RSX rendering power? (If you have some articles about this one, I would be highly interested in those.)

 

The reason the abandoned the three Cell processor approach was that a single GPU (the RSX in this case) was much higher performance at rendering a scene than all three Cell processors combined; in other words, they abandoned their approach because it meant that they would be producing a more expensive system that was less powerful.



Beja-Beja said:
EARTH is the PS4 its been in development for a billion years. Its so advance that it plays you.

 

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"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

OT, the ps4 won't be coming till the ps3 can cover its R&D costs. Krazy Ken is the only one who could sink unexisting profits into ps4 R&D but he's not around anymore. Give it 8 years people!



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler