Also @ cloud3000

when I was a kid, probably about 10, I had a computer program called "gamemaker 95" or some other digit at the end. There have been other iterations since then. It was almost exactly what LBP is, except it was 8 bit graphics. You could design everything from scratch with no programming knowledge. It was all intuitive and with a bit of tinkering and ingenuity you could learn to create some incredible things using the systems in place. It came with a handful of games to show you what you can do with it.

You could create your character sprite by sprite, animate him, give him whatever abilities and powers you wanted, create items, weapons, keys, anything. You created all the tiles with their own attributes to build the levels, you could make them damaging, add gravity, have them heal you, animate them. You could make it a side scrolling game by having the background tiles have downward gravity, or make it a top down game by making them lack any gravity. You created all of the enemies sprite by sprite, animate them, and then control very specifically how they would behave. You were limited only by your imagination and ingenuity. the goal of the levels were up to you, beginning points, end points, objectives, ect ect, all up to you. I made god knows how many games as a kid using that program, I loved it to death.

LBP will have better physics no doubt, but it's going to be more limited than even that program. You will always have sackboys, you can customize them, but they will always be sackboys. The physics is already set in place, and you have to work with it rather than create it. You can't create the abilities or animations of your characters or levels. they give you a construct, you work out what you can within it.

There have been innumerable games and programs with just as much if not more freedom to create than LBP. LBP planet's defining attribute is marketing, not revolutionary design.

you also my friend have mistaken engine modding as being part of the game. They are a completely seperate part even though the creators allow you to do it. That is just like Unreal Tourny and the Unreal Engine, you can make mods for the game with it, but it is not PART of the game. I cant do any of that on my console for that matter either.

This is My point.....

Blast works lets you do it on wii... and RPG maker lets you do it on Ps2... and fighter maker....

The real main point is it's the first one that is creation focused that looks good.  Well unless you count blastworks.  Which seems creation focused and is good.  But nobody pays attention to blast works because it's a shooter.

What you just described is actually not a GAME at all. It is a program used to create games. Sounds just like RPG maker and if I am not mistaken, that was not a "GAME" either. That is where people are confused on the topic. In that case let me pull out my Unreal Engine, or GameMaker XP, they are loads of fun. These are game creating TOOLS. There is a huge difference between them and LBP which is actually a game.

See my point? There are virtually none(maybe some out there in the void of the internet) that do what LBP does. I just want people to stop trying to deflate LBP's hype by saying "Oh, its been done befoe, so what!".

Blast works lets you do it on wii... and RPG maker lets you do it on Ps2... and fighter maker....

The real main point is it's the first one that is creation focused that looks good. Well unless you count blastworks. Which seems creation focused and is good. But nobody pays attention to blast works because it's a shooter.

While LBP will have premade levels (50 I think?), you're really just buying an editor and that's about it.  The games focus isn't on those 50 levels it comes with, the focus is on the things people create. 

So yes, LBP is easily lumped in with things like UT2k4 or whatever as games people buy just for the editor and not the actual game that comes with it.