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Of course it's not going to be a bridge game. Sony doesn't even know what one is. The game's main function is to create and trade, as well as play what has been created. Not to mention the developers want levels to be hard. Does any of this sound like a game for casual/non-gamers.

The answer is no. Bridge games are something like Mario Kart: a game that is simple to play, requires skill, but is overall fun. LBP is a game about creating levels and playing them. The idea of online and user created content is an upmarket thing. So, no, it will not be a bridge game.



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What is an example of another bridge game? SMG? Halo 3?



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IMHO im on the fence with this one. On one side there are a lot of hardcore gamers that will spend lots of time creating lvls/maps/triggers. Examples are Halo 3 forge maps (the good ones) and on the PC Starcraft and a huge amount of other games. Honestly I could see LBP satisfying both the hardcore and casual demographics but their execution will have to be flawless on the game.

Sony is pushing the hell outta this game to point of it overshadowing R2 (at least from all the hype from forums etc etc) which could be a bad thing. However, I just don't see LBP bombing or even coming close to it. Even if it only satifies one demographic it'll still sell millions. Either way...its a one day purchase for me!



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BottledSpringWater said:
What is an example of another bridge game? SMG? Halo 3?

SMG really isn't. Halo maybe. Mario kart has always been the best example of a bridge game becuase it has something for everyone. It's easy to play, takes skill and is ovrall fun. Halo probably isn;t due to the skill needed. Two skills does not=easy.

Here is a list from highest tier to lowest, with lowest being for non gamers and top being for hardcore (From Birdmen and the Casual Fallacy by Sean Malstrom)

Tactical RPG/Strategy- Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy Tactics, Master of Orion, Command and Conquer, Warcraft, MMORPGs
Epic RPG-
(‘epic’ meaning very story based) Later Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest games, Ultima, practically most JRPGs
Tactical Shooter-
Ghost Recon, SOCOM, Counter-Strike
First Person Shooter-
Halo, Unreal Tournament, Call of Duty
Third Person Shooter-
Gears of War, Grand Theft Auto 3, Resident Evil
3D Action Adventure-
Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Eternal Darkness
3D Platformer- Super Mario 64, Super Mario Galaxy, Rayman 2
Basic RPG-
Early Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest. (Likely) Dragon Quest IX
Action Adventure-
Legend of Zelda, Metroid
Adventure-
King’s Quest, Monkey Island
2D Platformer-
Super Mario Brothers, Sonic the Hedgehog
Mini-Games / Arcade Style-
Wii Play, Centipede, Galaga, Pac-Man
Puzzle-
Tetris, Dr. Mario
Non-Fiction Game-
Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Brain Age, Nintendogs, cookbook software, how to learn English, etc. Flight Simulator, Sims

Halo is pretty higher up. Bridges are usually going to be betwen 2D Platformers and probably Action Adventure (although it's pretty much a really upper limit). As you can see, the higher you go, the more complex it is. New Super mario has a simple objective, uses only ~3 buttons+ a D-pad. Halo requites two sticks, all the face buttons, and both the shoulder buttons. It can be hard to control your player and be able to also hit the enemy while trying to move.

Basically, the less buttons it takes, the easier the game will be. LBP is a game about creation. It requires lots of input, internet, fairly complex controls, and the whole idea is making big complex levels. While it is a platformer, it is based around creation, which is usually for upmarket players. Also, because of the system it will never work like a bridge game, even if it is (hypothetically). The Wii can bridge becuase it's cheap, fun, and a lot of people can play. Look at who is buying the systems. To a gamer, the Wii is inferior. It has more simple games, pushes fewer pixels, and has shit for online. But the doiwnmarket doesn't care about graphics, online, or complexity. They want easy fun which is what the console is to them. Nintendo figured this out and made the entire console based around this.



If LBP bombs (which I think it will because it only appeals to the hardcore Sony fans) what will Sony and its fans hype next? That to me is the real question.



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think about nintendos nect big bridge title animal crossing.

while u dont have to spend hours on it at a time but it still requires a huge inout of time as you have to go on it virtually everyday. this aspect apeals more to core gamers i would say



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naraku2099 said:
gebx said:
Off Topic: Careful.. you might get a talking bird in here flaming you for having your own opinions...

On Topic: My favorite thing about LBP is that its Sony's biggest game this fall and yet its a game that doesn't need the power of Cell and that could of been done on any other next gen system..

I find that ironic

And where exactly did you hear that LBP doesn't/isn't going to use the Cell Processor? I kind of doubt that's reliable unless you can provide a reliable source to prove that. Even though it's not a hardcore action game, LBP certainly looks to me like it takes advantage of the PS3's capabilities, from what I've seen.

 

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LBP will run at 1080p 60fps and in those cases it will take advantage of the PS3's capabilities, but it will in no way stress the system. LBP could run on the 360 with the same specs or the Wii on a lower resolutions.   



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mario kart takes skills?

metroid prime hunters maybe but mario kart?



games dont have to amx out the system to be good



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why LBP will not be so casual :

1st parameter :

PS3's PRICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Sony running for casual market = Xmas09/10/etc ...).

Also, even if LBP doesn't appeal to casual,
since PS3 owners = hardcore
it should be OK.



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