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Beja-Beja said:
Im just going to say this.
She is a slamming hottie!

 

I assume you've only seen 3 women in your life, and the other 2 were older than 44?



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senseinobaka said:
madskillz said:
LOL at folks who think Palin's an awesome pick. Sure, she's hot and definitely a MILF. Sure, she's a rising and upcoming star in the GOP. Sure, she's loved wholeheartedly by Alaska, and she gets mad point for being a beauty queen and a point guard. However, the fly in the ointment is the investigation she's under. She is accused of firing her ex-brother-in-law's supervisor because he wouldn't fire him after he divorced her sister. I have been following this for a while. Sure, she's anti-abortion - keeping her son Trig when she knew he had Downs is awesome, but to woo Hillary supporters? Nah.

I am curious to see if the probe finds her guilty, how this will play out on the road to the White House - or if this probe will just vanish altogether.

 

Actually, the way you describe it is due to a CNN hack-job. In reality, Pailin ordered for the inquiry because of a suspicious phone converstation that she felt may have been coercive and unethical. She has fully cooperated and said she has nothing to hide.

 

What's going on? Actually, it wasn't just CNN - but AP and a few other outlets. Here's the link:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/campaign-2008/story/664794.html

The first serious scandal in Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's administration, which some Alaskans call ''Troopergate,'' has roots in a family feud. It erupted into public view on July 11, when the presumptive Republican vice presidential nominee fired the state's top public safety official.

A special counsel hired by the Alaska Legislature is investigating whether there was any official misconduct in Palin's abrupt firing of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

The investigation is expected to take months, and the issue is whether Palin, her administration or members of her family improperly pressured Monegan to fire Alaska State Trooper Michael Wooten, Palin's sister's ex-husband, and whether Palin fired Monegan when that didn't happen.

Palin's sister, Molly McCann, and Wooten are divorced and battling in court over custody and visitation rights, but Palin has maintained that her decision to fire Monegan had nothing to do with Monegan's refusal to dump Wooten.

 



The Ghost of RubangB said:
Beja-Beja said:
Im just going to say this.
She is a slamming hottie!

 

I assume you've only seen 3 women in your life, and the other 2 were older than 44?

 

 Dude I am obviously joking. But she was a beauty pageant queend. Hilary is much hotter Imo



Beja-Beja said:
Im just going to say this.
She is a slamming hottie!

2nd. She is a VPILF.

OT: I'd much rather have someone free of controversy than court someone with it. McCain loves youger, hot women. And yeah, he's making a play for frustrated Hillary supporters, but doggone - I'd pick her too. She's great to look at and has a bangin' body even though she's dropped 5 - count them, 5 kids and still looks great.

I'd definitely love to make it rain in the Oval Office. One lapdance from her and McCain is toast.

Seriously, he talked to her once - met her once - and based on that brief intro, thinks she could run the country in case he gives up the ghost? Please - end the denial. She's easy on the eyes - a ton of guys wanna run up in her, but in the end, when it's 6 a.m., it's time for her to go back home and get out.

I am no fan of the GOP, but when I woke up and found out it was her, I laughed my butt off. Romney or Plawenty? Sure ... even Kay Hutchison. But none of them are trophies like Palin and Cindy.

Also, I don't support abortion at all, but I think a woman should choose. I don't think the government should pay for it UNLESS a woman's in danger or sexually abused. Still, it should be her choice.



I like the choice, I'm not crazy about some of her policies but I think its a great choice for him. I think she is easily qualified for the VP-spot and I would say at least as qualified as Obama for the P-spot. With that said experience isn't the only thing that matters to me, I also want to know about the quality of experience and I've been impressed with what I've seen from Palin so far...but I still want to see more...after all if she is potentially going to be a heartbeat away from the presidency I would like to know a lot more about her.

My big problem with Obama's experience goes back to the fact that one of his executive positions in Chicago was as the first Chairman of the Board for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. From what I've read on the issue they took bids from various education groups to improve the abysmal education system in Chicago. They spent some 110 million dollars on various projects largely to no effect (this is supposedly their own conclusion). Now the Annenberg thing is a *very* sensitive subject amongst Obama supporters because of the Ayers connections but I honestly don't care about what Ayers did in the 60's..I don't think there is any way to connect Obama to that..but what Ayers and his family have done in Chicago in the 90s when Obama was clearly working with them on some level within that community is a legit topic of discussion and the fact that Obama seems to avoid it makes me suspicious and want answers about it.

Also interestingly FactCheck.org is a pogram of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and is primarily funded by the Annenberg Foundation which ran the Chicago Annenberg Challenge that Obama was Chairman of. Now that doesn't mean that everything they put out is biased (and this may not be news to some) but it is the sort of thing that should be disclosed openly when they are vetting info of a political nature.



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Also the thing about Palin is she just the compromise pick.

Everything I read said there were two main opinions in the end.

One side wanted Pawtany or however you spell it....

and the Other side wanted Liberman. That other side consisting completley of John McCain.

In this pick, the super conservatives get what they want.... a "pro-life" VP, and McCain gets someone who he knows is against corruption.

I still think he should of went with his own choice.



PDF said:
Pro - This pick will energize his base and will free him up to go more moderate. People vote for President not Vice, and I think thats what he is counting on.
She will bring in some women voters. She counters Obama message of washington outsiders. She helps his Maverick image by going against her own party but with things that dont really anger the republican base. Young and energetic.

Con - She is inexperienced, She only a 2yr governor of Alaska. Prioir to Governor she was a mayor of relatively small city. No foreign policy experience. No name recognition. She already has some controversy. How well she will do in debates or on the campaign trail is yet to be seen. Makes McCain argument against Obama experience a very hard one to make, since he is saying she could be President.

am I missing anything?

You speaketh the truth.

 



I just got done watching Palin's entire speech and doing a bit more research on her and her story is rather compelling (if you honestly stop and give it fair look). While she is still a fairly young politician with only about a year and a half in the Governor's office she has accomplished a lot in that time, and she has routinely gone against the grain to accomplish it.

She hasn't just fought corruption in her state...she fought corruption within her own party (and won, which is the important bit).  She challenged a wasteful incumbant Republican Governor (and won) going on to soaring approval ratings. She said no to the bridge to nowhere, she got rid of her state funded bodyguards to save the taxpayer's money, as Governor she ebayed the private Gubernatorial jet and put the money back into the coffers, she raised taxes on Oil companies, cut property taxes by 40% while she was mayor, she overruled the previous Governor's plan for a natural gas pipeline which took the grant away from a BP lead coalition, she took surpluss money from the high gas prices and gave it back to the people of Alaska, she slashed the state's budget by nearly $250 million, etc, etc...

I read this woman's resume and I see the type of actions that I associate with someone who fundamentally understands what wasteful spending is and has already proven that she has the character to not only say no to it but cut it off at the knees even if it means flying commercial or braving encounters with Alaskan voters without protection.  Her record on all of those issues shines with a high gloss.

The one area she is lacking on is the same as Obama (ie foreign policy experience) and she will need to prove she can hold her own on that issue sooner rather than later.

PS - For the record I HATED the pick when I first heard it...I seriously thought it was a terrible reactionary pick to grab Hillary voters...but the more research I do the more I really really like the pick (even though I still disagree with her on quite a few issues) and I now think the Hillary angle was at best a secondary reason for making the choice...she brings so much more to the table than her sex, its almost insulting to suggest that was the only reason and I suspect those that make the claim know very little of her record.

 

 



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People complaining about Palin having no experiece, it is a hart beat away from presidency, but VP does not have any significant constitutional powers, it depends on president and vp's style how much influence do they have in the end. George Bush or Walter Mondale have been influential Vp's, but others not to that extent. People are voting for president ,Vp is only addition.

She seems to be a good candidate, someone that McCain needed because of his age, and someone to challenge senator Obama.



ManusJustus said:
bigjon said:
I am not pro-life per say..

I am just against murdering babies in their mothers wombs.

 

But you're for killing babies once they get out of the womb?  Unnecessary wars, capital punishment (something I agree with just showing your hipocracy) and so forth.

 

Damn, that was a pretty good comeback.  +1 for you. 

I would be just fine with a pro-life country IF we actually took care of all the unadopted and unwanted children we ALREADY have.  I think it is complete bullshit to say you care about life when very few pro-life people are willing to do anything about all the unadopted children not only in our country but in the entire world.

Such as in China, where the adoption problem is at epidemic levels.  Children are just abandoned in the streets and taken care of so poorly when in foster care that it is sickening.  Its fine if you are pro-life, but if you only care about abortion as a political issue and aren't actually willing to solve children's problems who are already here, then you are a flagrant hypocrite.



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