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John McCain's 'straight talk express' actually halfway lived up to its name back in 2000. In 2008, John McCain has pretty much sold himself to the religious right and is on now on the Karl Rove playbook on how to win an election.... he has completely sold himself out just Like GW Bush did in his bid for the presidency.

In the last 4 years, McCain's support for Bush's initiatives and administration has risen steadily to 100% in 2008, while the average citizen's support for Bush has plummeted to under 25%.

And while we all like war heroes, John McCain being a POW does nothing for his qualifications for president or his understanding of military matters or foreign policy, other than the fact that he now refers to asians as "gooks", and does it unapologetically. Ironically, there are a lot of racist asian immigrant blocks that won't vote for a blackman, which is one of the reasons for Obama's crushing loss in the primary in Cali against Hillary. The irony is sickening.

McCain has even made veiled reference to his support for reinstatement of the draft (which thank god will never happen in a democrat controlled congress), and he makes it damn clear that he would have no hesitation in going to war against Iran.

Russia is a delicate situation too, and he just randomly throws out shit like we should chuck Russia out of the G8 summit? WTF?

1.) McCain is pro-war
2.) McCain is old
3.) McCain is so old, he does not understand the burgeoning digital economy. At all.
4.) McCain claims he wants to develop alternative energy, but he's just another oil man at heart

Obama isn't the perfect candidate. I was really disgusted when Obama voted in favor of the FISA shit. But all I need to know is that Obama is anti-war, and as long as you're not pouring billions into a retarded and meaningless war every week, you cannot be incompetent enough to ruin the economy. Even Bush wouldn't have fucked over our economy had we not been mired in this war.



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megaman79 said:
Tigawoods said:

Lots of things wrong with this thread.

1. Are we surprised that a left wing news channel wrote a smear piece with no factual evidence?

2. Obama is closer to Bush. McCain is closer to Hillary. Bill Clinton is closer to Heffner :P

3. @Megaman Which million ppl are you talking about? Whether or not you agree with the wars and the WMD fiasco the Taliban and Hussein still committed genocide. Or are you pulling these one million ppl out of your ass?

 

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

 

Its not difficult. If you bothered to question what people tell you maybe you will learn something.

But there are two problems with going into Iraq that the UN did not agree with, prior to the lies from Powell.

1. You do not enter another country unless there is an imminent threat to neighbouring states. This was not the case

2. The other reason, demonstrated in the first Gulf war, was that internal security was threatened. Human rights was the reason. But there was no evidence that Saddam was going to kill or hurt his own people.

Megaman79, are you joking, or can you not read numbers??? The site that YOU just linked to puts the total at 86,661 - 94,557 civilian deaths, and many of those are most likely killed by terrorists or insurgents. You're only about 910,000 off, where are the rest of the 'Million' you stated??

 



rocketpig said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Some estimates put the Iraqi death toll at a million.


Man a Lieberman veep nom would kill me. I mean, I dislike McCain, but I absolutely loathe Lieberman from the bottom of where my soul should be.

I dislike ol 'Joey for my own reasons but why would a pinko bastard like you hate him so much, Rubang?

He wants to regulate violent video games, and he even wants to somehow regulate porn on the internet.  And he and his wife were in on the PMRC back in the 80's, putting warning stickers for bad words in music.  He scares the shit out of me.

And he's way too pro-Israel and pro-Iraq War for my tastes.

 

 

I just gave his Wikipedia a quick skim, and holy hell I found this:

 

Lieberman gathered stern criticism for speaking at an event hosted by the controversial pastor John Hagee, who has suggested that God sent Hitler to bring the Jews to Israel.  Despite a 40,000-signature petition urging him not to go, Lieberman attended the event drawing rebuke from the J Street lobbying group.  In comparing Moses to Hagee, Lieberman admitted that Hagee made hurtful and offensive comments, but stated that "Even Moses fell short of God's expectations."

 



Timmah! said:
megaman79 said:
Tigawoods said:

Lots of things wrong with this thread.

1. Are we surprised that a left wing news channel wrote a smear piece with no factual evidence?

2. Obama is closer to Bush. McCain is closer to Hillary. Bill Clinton is closer to Heffner :P

3. @Megaman Which million ppl are you talking about? Whether or not you agree with the wars and the WMD fiasco the Taliban and Hussein still committed genocide. Or are you pulling these one million ppl out of your ass?

 

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

 

Its not difficult. If you bothered to question what people tell you maybe you will learn something.

But there are two problems with going into Iraq that the UN did not agree with, prior to the lies from Powell.

1. You do not enter another country unless there is an imminent threat to neighbouring states. This was not the case

2. The other reason, demonstrated in the first Gulf war, was that internal security was threatened. Human rights was the reason. But there was no evidence that Saddam was going to kill or hurt his own people.

Megaman79, are you joking, or can you not read numbers??? The site that YOU just linked to puts the total at 86,661 - 94,557 civilian deaths, and many of those are most likely killed by terrorists or insurgents. You're only about 910,000 off, where are the rest of the 'Million' you stated??

 

Your right.

http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78

see here or here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_conflict_in_Iraq_since_2003

 

 



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

Sansui said:
John McCain's 'straight talk express' actually halfway lived up to its name back in 2000. In 2008, John McCain has pretty much sold himself to the religious right and is on now on the Karl Rove playbook on how to win an election.... he has completely sold himself out just Like GW Bush did in his bid for the presidency.

In the last 4 years, McCain's support for Bush's initiatives and administration has risen steadily to 100% in 2008, while the average citizen's support for Bush has plummeted to under 25%.

And while we all like war heroes, John McCain being a POW does nothing for his qualifications for president or his understanding of military matters or foreign policy, other than the fact that he now refers to asians as "gooks", and does it unapologetically. Ironically, there are a lot of racist asian immigrant blocks that won't vote for a blackman, which is one of the reasons for Obama's crushing loss in the primary in Cali against Hillary. The irony is sickening.

McCain has even made veiled reference to his support for reinstatement of the draft (which thank god will never happen in a democrat controlled congress), and he makes it damn clear that he would have no hesitation in going to war against Iran.

Russia is a delicate situation too, and he just randomly throws out shit like we should chuck Russia out of the G8 summit? WTF?

1.) McCain is pro-war
2.) McCain is old
3.) McCain is so old, he does not understand the burgeoning digital economy. At all.
4.) McCain claims he wants to develop alternative energy, but he's just another oil man at heart

Obama isn't the perfect candidate. I was really disgusted when Obama voted in favor of the FISA shit. But all I need to know is that Obama is anti-war, and as long as you're not pouring billions into a retarded and meaningless war every week, you cannot be incompetent enough to ruin the economy. Even Bush wouldn't have fucked over our economy had we not been mired in this war.

He wants a draft? Link? He refused to apologize for calling someone a gook? Link? He "made it clear" he wants a war with Iran? Link?  He sold out to the religious right?  Examples? Links?  He is in 100% agreement with Bush on every issue? Link?

You've posted a mountain of FUD and backed up none of it.



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Sqrl said:
Sansui said:
John McCain's 'straight talk express' actually halfway lived up to its name back in 2000. In 2008, John McCain has pretty much sold himself to the religious right and is on now on the Karl Rove playbook on how to win an election.... he has completely sold himself out just Like GW Bush did in his bid for the presidency.

In the last 4 years, McCain's support for Bush's initiatives and administration has risen steadily to 100% in 2008, while the average citizen's support for Bush has plummeted to under 25%.

And while we all like war heroes, John McCain being a POW does nothing for his qualifications for president or his understanding of military matters or foreign policy, other than the fact that he now refers to asians as "gooks", and does it unapologetically. Ironically, there are a lot of racist asian immigrant blocks that won't vote for a blackman, which is one of the reasons for Obama's crushing loss in the primary in Cali against Hillary. The irony is sickening.

McCain has even made veiled reference to his support for reinstatement of the draft (which thank god will never happen in a democrat controlled congress), and he makes it damn clear that he would have no hesitation in going to war against Iran.

Russia is a delicate situation too, and he just randomly throws out shit like we should chuck Russia out of the G8 summit? WTF?

1.) McCain is pro-war
2.) McCain is old
3.) McCain is so old, he does not understand the burgeoning digital economy. At all.
4.) McCain claims he wants to develop alternative energy, but he's just another oil man at heart

Obama isn't the perfect candidate. I was really disgusted when Obama voted in favor of the FISA shit. But all I need to know is that Obama is anti-war, and as long as you're not pouring billions into a retarded and meaningless war every week, you cannot be incompetent enough to ruin the economy. Even Bush wouldn't have fucked over our economy had we not been mired in this war.

He wants a draft? Link? He refused to apologize for calling someone a gook? Link? He "made it clear" he wants a war with Iran? Link? He sold out to the religious right? Examples? Links? He is in 100% agreement with Bush on every issue? Link?

You've posted a mountain of FUD and backed up none of it.

You mean like Fox News? Is that what you mean

 



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

megaman79 said:
Sqrl said:

He wants a draft? Link? He refused to apologize for calling someone a gook? Link? He "made it clear" he wants a war with Iran? Link? He sold out to the religious right? Examples? Links? He is in 100% agreement with Bush on every issue? Link?

You've posted a mountain of FUD and backed up none of it.

You mean like Fox News? Is that what you mean

 

 

What does that even have to do with this discussion?  Are you so incapable of engaging in a discussion on merits that you have to resort to unrelated canned responses?

Either stay on the topic or don't post in this thread.



To Each Man, Responsibility
Sqrl said:
Sansui said:
John McCain's 'straight talk express' actually halfway lived up to its name back in 2000. In 2008, John McCain has pretty much sold himself to the religious right and is on now on the Karl Rove playbook on how to win an election.... he has completely sold himself out just Like GW Bush did in his bid for the presidency.

In the last 4 years, McCain's support for Bush's initiatives and administration has risen steadily to 100% in 2008, while the average citizen's support for Bush has plummeted to under 25%.

And while we all like war heroes, John McCain being a POW does nothing for his qualifications for president or his understanding of military matters or foreign policy, other than the fact that he now refers to asians as "gooks", and does it unapologetically. Ironically, there are a lot of racist asian immigrant blocks that won't vote for a blackman, which is one of the reasons for Obama's crushing loss in the primary in Cali against Hillary. The irony is sickening.

McCain has even made veiled reference to his support for reinstatement of the draft (which thank god will never happen in a democrat controlled congress), and he makes it damn clear that he would have no hesitation in going to war against Iran.

Russia is a delicate situation too, and he just randomly throws out shit like we should chuck Russia out of the G8 summit? WTF?

1.) McCain is pro-war
2.) McCain is old
3.) McCain is so old, he does not understand the burgeoning digital economy. At all.
4.) McCain claims he wants to develop alternative energy, but he's just another oil man at heart

Obama isn't the perfect candidate. I was really disgusted when Obama voted in favor of the FISA shit. But all I need to know is that Obama is anti-war, and as long as you're not pouring billions into a retarded and meaningless war every week, you cannot be incompetent enough to ruin the economy. Even Bush wouldn't have fucked over our economy had we not been mired in this war.

He wants a draft? Link? He refused to apologize for calling someone a gook? Link? He "made it clear" he wants a war with Iran? Link?  He sold out to the religious right?  Examples? Links?  He is in 100% agreement with Bush on every issue? Link?

You've posted a mountain of FUD and backed up none of it.

Gook comment: Contrary to McCain's attempt to narrowly define "gook" to mean only his "sadistic" captors, this term has historically been used to describe all Asians. McCain said that "gook" was the most "polite" term he could find to describe his captors, but because it is simply a pejorative term for Asians, he insulted his captors simply by calling them "Asians" -- a clearly disturbing message.

Iran War: I've watched videos of John McCain in numerous town hall meetings.  He has spoken many times of the "grave threat" of Iran.  He has spoken multiple times of the fact that there will be more wars.  He is either campaigning on fear, or he is ready to go to war with Iran.  Pick your choice, cause you gotta pick one, and both are despicable. It is my belief, founded by John McCain's attitude and wording during these town hall meetings, that he wants a war with Iran.  I am entitled to that belief and feel I have backed up my reasoning.

He sold out to the religious right.  John McCain has NEVER been known for his religious convictions, and has NEVER been a staunch pro-life defender...... until 2008 and his shot at winning the presidency.  He has a record of supporting stem cell research, and it's obvious to me that his new conviction for being pro life is pandering to the religious right. 

On his 100% agreement with Bush.  McCain's support of Bush HAS increased over last 4 years.  Check his voting record:
2005 - 77% votes on bills in agreement with Bush
2006 - 89% votes on bills in agreement with Bush
2007 - 95% votes on bills in agreement with Bush
2008 - 100% votes on bills in agreement with Bush

Regarding the Draft:

In June, McCain said it would take an “all-out World War III” to make the draft necessary — which seems to mean he’d consider it. In July 2006, when asked to react to Newt Gingrich’s claim that “You’d have to say to yourself this is in fact World War III,” McCain said, “I do [agree] to some extent.”

Asked about the draft last September, McCain said, “I might consider it, I don’t think it’s necessary, but I might consider it if you could design a draft where everybody equally could serve.”

Considering McCain’s vow that “there’s gonna be other wars” and that we could stay in Iraq for 100 years, a draft might seem reasonable to him.

 



Sqrl said:
megaman79 said:
Sqrl said:

He wants a draft? Link? He refused to apologize for calling someone a gook? Link? He "made it clear" he wants a war with Iran? Link? He sold out to the religious right? Examples? Links? He is in 100% agreement with Bush on every issue? Link?

You've posted a mountain of FUD and backed up none of it.

You mean like Fox News? Is that what you mean

 

 

What does that even have to do with this discussion? Are you so incapable of engaging in a discussion on merits that you have to resort to unrelated canned responses?

Either stay on the topic or don't post in this thread.

 

Dont attack people because they don't have evidence. If you actually watch the news you would be well aware of McCains stance on Iran, the draft and his agreement with Bush's policies.



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

McCain's stance on Iran is what any reasonable person's stance should be. They are a grave threat to the stability of the region and will likely cause another war with all their saber-rattling and threats. You have to live in a freaking bubble to think that you can avoid war. It is inevitable, though that is regrettable.