I hope to get a Xbox blu ray for a new set of consoles in 2010
this will be good to everyone

"Can" and "should" are not the same word.  Re-read my post.  Some reports have indicated that even titles like MGS4 are only pushing the Cell halfway to what it can really do.  And according to the early spin from Sony, the Cell should be a powerhouse like nothing we've ever seen--and unfortunately, it's exactly like what we're used to seeing on PC and Xbox360.

It's possible it's a case like the N64 or Saturn which both contained complicated and difficult to use hardware where only the first party devs ever really understood how to fully use it.

These threads are always too biased, with fanboys eating up PR like its candy.

The truth is, that Sony want the PS3 to sell for 10 years, the problem is they will have the PS4 on the market for 4-5 of those years. This means that Sony is going to release a new console long before the end of "the 10 year plan".

Microsoft is actually a guessing game with when they will release a new console. I think they are going to go for an early release again because of the advantage that gave them.

Now for some reason I don't understand why people don't think Nintendo should release a console early. At the current moment they are completely owning the mainstream market and are struggling to captivate the hardcore market. So it would make lots of sense for Nintendo to do something very non-Nintendo. Release a loss leading console priced at $400-$500. This would be a fully featured system that blows everything away currently on the PS3 and 360. I think the current profit from the Wii could more than offset the loss of their new console. With this early out of the gate system they could basically have an amazing system at the low price point and another amazing system for the hardcore priced above (or even at) the price of the PS3.

There are lots of possibilities here, but it makes the most sense for Nintendo to start the next gen early.

Well It started with some pretty much "what the"? and then proceeded to go down hill fast as of "bad graphics of the Wii" with no mention about gaming. It then went farther down hill when you continued to comment about you and people you know have 3000 PC.

I realized that your just disconnected from reality of the major consumer. You associate that the niche consumer is everyone. I don't find your over all conclusions to be sound for a mass market.

See what "You" and I do mean you specificly the OP have done is jumped the average market. No most people don't have 60" tv, no most people don't have $3000 computers. Theres a reason why there are hundreds of $1000 computer package deals. No I know LOTS of people that are not impressed with Crysis cause they don't care about the graphics. They don't even play FPS.

You may want to try and seeing through the eyes of the mass market before telling companies and consumers that the 'next gen" can wait. I will however agree that the PS3 needs to upgrade the least out of the consoles.

lets put it this way: if Ms releases another console before 2012 i will not get it. They cut support to early with the last one imo.

I find it funny you talk about how you don't care to admit you were wrong then you keep writing to discredit the issues at hand. You might care to admit you are wrong more than you'd like.

Anyways, both consoles can render 1920x1080 as long as either the visual fidelity is compromised or they are rendering simpler scenes.

Again and again it must be said.  it wasn't their fault.  Nvidia wouldn't produce the graphics chips for it anymore.  If you bother to read about it, you would know that Microsoft had not intended to kill off the Xbox that quickly.

I give that post a 9.1.

My gut tells me that since Wii is graphically inferior that they would want to release the next gen first, but with sales being spectatular and not looking like they will slow down come 2010 they dont have much of a reason to move on into the next gen.

Nintendo has produced a loss leading console before being that Nintendo lost dozens of dollars off of every console when they released the Gamecube; it may have not been losses on the scale of the XBox, PS3 or XBox 360 but it demonstrates that they are willing to lose money to get the "Right" product on the market at the "Right" price. The reason why they haven't taken the same scale of losses as Microsoft or Sony has is they see themself as a software company, and you have see value in the software you produce from taking losses on the hardware.

Now, the question is what Nintendo gains from being the first mover? They're a company that is most dangerous when they do something unexpected, if they end up releasing their next console early then the other console manufacturers have an opportunity to respond. If they're as successful as they were with the Wii this doesn't really matter because the generation will be over before the other manufacturers have a chance to respond; but if they release an expensive console that will (obviously) have a slow start it makes it easy for their competition to respond to their approach.

Yes, I agree.

SONY making money off every console and game sold by MS would ROCK!