JaggedSac said: steven787 said: JaggedSac said: Kyros said: As long as there are pirated copies of movies being made, you can expect DRM Again DRM has not much to do with pirated copies. DRM doesn't stop pirates from posting movies on the net. You can buy AnyDVD HD from the net and it will strip every DRM from HD "premium" content. So DRM is not for stopping pirates but for controlling normal consumers. If you like that being done to you have fun in your nice world.   I include copying rented movies in the pirating category.   Nobody is talking piracy.   I put all my DVDs on my external HDD so that I don't ruin the discs and so I can watch them when and where I want... I've never pirated a movie or song, ever. In fact, I am the most anti-piracy person on this site and I am also anti DRM.  Because DRM hurts me, not pirates.   Your disc is the gateway that the company allows you to recieve their content.  The one and only gateway.  If they wanted you to have it digitally, they would release it as such.  Since they created the product, they should, and do have a say in how you watch the said content.  Putting it on an external HDD is illegal.  It is an unauthorized copy of their content.  You paid for the disc gateway.

 

Ripping is not illegal.  Companies have lost many lawsuits over "ripping" movies and music.  Not to mention itunes has the ripping tools built right in.

In fact Sony (you know Sony BMG and Sony Playstation) encourages it.

Console games is a different story.

I looked for a definitive source for the legality of ripping your dvds, and unfortunately I have been unable to locate one and am about to be off to work.

But, if movie studios wanted you to be able to rip your dvds, they would not have put CSS in place.

Upon further investigation, there is controversy as to wether the ripping software itself is legal, because it circumvents the protection the studios applied to their product.  And in some countries, the software is illegal.

Now I really am off to work.

No it isn't. Everyone who is serious about ripping movies can do it. (AnyDVD does cost 30$ I think). And everyone else has the choice between DRM free content, he doesn't have to pay for, from the net and DRM infested bullshit that costs a lot of money.

DRM only makes live worse for consumers and doesn't hinder piracy. But that's not the aim. It's used to make Jonny Sixpack pay everytime he watches a movie not to stop someone from copying movies. Someone who can install a BitTorrent client is also able to circumvent DRM.

DRM is a must if there are going to be rental services for digital content. Much like M$'s video rental service on XBox Live or Rhapsody's (I think this is it) monthly fee unlimited music service(which is heavily abused with programs stripping the DRM). I understand there are some pitfalls to how it is used as of now, but perhaps this is a learning process that the two groups(content creator and consumer) fight over what is best.

EDIT: Nevermind, not the right place.

Back on topic.

Most external drives are already formatted in FAT32. I have a MyBook and a Seagate Passport and they are both setup this way. Just plugging them in works. I also have a thumb drive that I load music, videos on from time to time and that is plug and play as well.

That is true. But we weren't talking about rentals were we? We did talk about restrictions to freely copy movies TO the 360. Not to copy rented movies from it.
Rental is the only place where DRM has a place. And even here : How many movies do you rent multiple times from Blockbusters? Not many I would think, so why not make everything a sale but lower-priced than DVDs? After all you do not have to pay retail, disc manufacturing, packaging. In the long run video DRM will fail as miserably as Music DRM. I think many people would pay quite a bit more than they currently pay for media for simply having access to the whole library of movies and music ever created. (A bit like bittorrent but legal and with a better selection and a iTunes Store like interface)

Putting the movies on a USB key wouldn't work, would it?

I've always streamed from the PC.

I did more research, just to make sure. As by the legislature, it is illegal. By the courts, it is legal. (Which means it's legal)

Just because part of the government says something is illegal doesn't mean it is morally wrong and doesn't mean it will hold up in court.

Taking things I do not own would be wrong. Using something the way I want to use it is my right as the owner.

Now, jaggedsac, stop derailing the thread.

gebx said: Putting the movies on a USB key wouldn't work, would it? I've always streamed from the PC.

Yea, that'll work.  I do this quite often myself, it's mostly for music but it'll work for movies too.