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outlawauron on 17 August 2008
ZenfoldorVGI said:

Riachu said:
Soriku said:

@Zen

Yeah.

Also, found this:



Just wow at Tales of Destiny PS1. The 4 highest selling Tales in Japan just happen to be Team Destiny games. Team Destiny is likely going to make the next Wii Tales...so I wonder if it'll be in the top 10 sold Tales games :O

I am suprised that Team Destiny games sold the best since Team Symphonia's games are considered to be the best in the series.

 

 

Sales often don't denote quality. I'll refrain from speculation beyond that, except to say, that just because Team Symphonia makes the "best" games in my, Americas, and Famitsu's opinions, doesn't mean the other games aren't good, or even great. They just don't match Symphonia's magnificance.

  Title
Platform
Avg. Ratio
Tales of Destiny II 
Publisher: Namco
Number of P/Reviews: 19		 PlayStation 79.4%
Tales of Destiny 
Publisher: Namco
Number of P/Reviews: 15		 PlayStation 74.7%

Yes, american reviewers are very biased against anime inspired JRPGs.

If you can only enjoy a game because it got a AAA review, you need to skip this series.

Absolute bull!

Title
Platform
Avg. Ratio
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES 
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 32		 PlayStation 2 87.8%
 
   
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 95		 PlayStation 2 86.9%
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne 
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 94		 PlayStation 2 83.6%
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 90		 PlayStation 2 80.8%
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner - Raidou Kuzunoha vs. the Soulless Army 
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 68		 PlayStation 2 74.9%
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 2 
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 68		 PlayStation 2 82.8%

 The persona games are perhaps some of the most anime inspired games .... ever!



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johnsobas on 17 August 2008

i didn't realize that it was so complicated. If it is true that they differentiate that much between the main story and a spin off (kind of) then the sales of the Wii version start to make sense, and the 360 version's sales don't look all that good.



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Godot on 17 August 2008

I think that what I meant and Microsoft as well is "Only for Xbox 360" as long as consoles are concerned. Putting the game on PC doesn't remove anything from Microsoft. Actually, it helps them support DirectX which is what the 360 is for in the first place.

And I don't care if it's better or not than Symphonia/Abyss. It looks just like the other Tales which is precisely what I want.



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Riachu on 17 August 2008
outlawauron said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:

Riachu said:
Soriku said:

@Zen

Yeah.

Also, found this:



Just wow at Tales of Destiny PS1. The 4 highest selling Tales in Japan just happen to be Team Destiny games. Team Destiny is likely going to make the next Wii Tales...so I wonder if it'll be in the top 10 sold Tales games :O

I am suprised that Team Destiny games sold the best since Team Symphonia's games are considered to be the best in the series.

 

 

Sales often don't denote quality. I'll refrain from speculation beyond that, except to say, that just because Team Symphonia makes the "best" games in my, Americas, and Famitsu's opinions, doesn't mean the other games aren't good, or even great. They just don't match Symphonia's magnificance.

Title
Platform
Avg. Ratio
Tales of Destiny II
Publisher: Namco
Number of P/Reviews: 19		 PlayStation 79.4%
Tales of Destiny
Publisher: Namco
Number of P/Reviews: 15		 PlayStation 74.7%

Yes, american reviewers are very biased against anime inspired JRPGs.

If you can only enjoy a game because it got a AAA review, you need to skip this series.

Absolute bull!

Title
Platform
Avg. Ratio
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 32		 PlayStation 2 87.8%
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 95		 PlayStation 2 86.9%
Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 94		 PlayStation 2 83.6%
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 90		 PlayStation 2 80.8%
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Summoner - Raidou Kuzunoha vs. the Soulless Army
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 68		 PlayStation 2 74.9%
Shin Megami Tensei: Digital Devil Saga 2
Publisher: Atlus Co.
Number of P/Reviews: 68		 PlayStation 2 82.8%

The persona games are perhaps some of the most anime inspired games .... ever!

That's true to some extent but the SMT series is also one of the most mature JRPG series so they get a free pass.  Also, Western reviewers seem to be biased against JRPGs that don't deviate from the norm

 



 

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johnsobas on 17 August 2008
talkingparrot said:

I can understand the fandom the Tales series has, but the gushing in this thread is completely unnecessary. I've played every Tales game (and finished only 4 of them- Symphonia, Destiny, Phantasia, Abyss)- and for what its worth- they are good to great at best. The review scores, sales numbers, and critical reception will give you an idea to gauge what the series is worth.

Tales has, and always will be, a second tier RPG. It caters to a particular audience. It isn't as niche as say a Disagaea, or any of the Nippon Ichi titles, however, its still not a million seller in any sense of the word.

My frustration with this thread begins with fanboys who claim the game will never come out on another console (you know who I'm talking about- are you really that dense?), people acting as if this game is the gemstone in the RPG caveat for the 360 (that belongs to Final Fantasy XIII and Mass Effect), and as if suddenly this game will end the HD console war in Japan.

I've lived in Japan for 6 months for a semester of school. Most people here have no idea what the lifestyle is over there. I am garunteeing you this, half of those 360s will be traded back in immediately. Same goes for the PS3s. Until and unless they shrink the sizes of the respective consoles down - or - they figure a way to truly captivate the imagination of the audience (Wii Sports and potentially Little Big Planet), there will be deadpan in the region.

Namco is intelligent- they like money, they know their boundaries, and will take money hats when they can get them. The game will end up on the PS3. Tales of Symphonia 2 will come out in the USA (only I am garunteeing you it sucks- I'm playing it right now). Finally, the HD RPG console war will not be decided by this game. These proxy battles people bicker about are pointless. I can point out Valkyria Chronicles (an RPG that has been extremely well previewed), White Knight Story (by Level 5- who are positioning themselves as the next Square Enix), and Fire Emblem on the Wii. In the end, this game is destned for multiplatform love, unlike those three above.

Seriously, stop posting this bullshit like you know more than other people when in reality the average poster on vgchartz seems to know more about it than you do.  You looked like a fool in the other thread and you're looking like a fool again.  It's true many people sell their systems back in situations like this, but it doesn't affect sales as much as you think it does.  For the record i spent 2 semester in Japan, i normally wouldn't mention that but you seem to think it's so important.

The proof is in the numbers, take a look at what happened when Blue Dragon was released.  If everyone had sold back their systems then the used price of 360s would have dropped so low that people would not be buying new systems.  Not only that but blue dragon was released in a time where nobody knew 360 would get this many RPGS, and there was a long drought at that time.  That's not really what happened though, 360 weekly sales were raised for a very very long time long after blue dragon stopped selling..

Now the situation is much better for the 360 and there are many other games especially star ocean that would interest these people.  Rather than a price collapse of the 360 like you are saying we are actually looking at the price of the 360 rising (especially because it's sold out).

 



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blizzid on 17 August 2008

The argument over the "Only on Xbox" logo is funny. The exact same arguments have been going on since the release of the original Xbox. To my knowledge, in the seven years since the logo first came into use, no game with that logo has ever been released on a competing console. Countless such games have been released on the PC, but never on a competing console.

The closest thing to an exception would be Ninja Gaiden. Ninja Gaiden and Ninja Gaiden Black for Xbox both had the logo. Years later, Ninja Gaiden Sigma was released on the PS3. Technically Ninja Gaiden Sigma could be considered a different game, but it's pretty damn close. My bet is the exclusivity agreement only applied to the PS2 and GCN, not to future consoles.

Edit: Looks like there's several "Only on Xbox 360" games that have been ported to another console. Maybe the logo meant something during the Xbox era, but it doesn't seem to mean much anymore. I'm just curious: if Microsoft doesn't require a full exclusivity agreement for the logo, why don't they stamp it on all of their timed exclusives?



blizzid on 17 August 2008

Also, I found this thread very informative, and it has substantially increased my interest in ToV. I had assumed DotNW was being done by the ToS team, and ToV was being done by a separate team. Thanks for the information.



Zuhyc on 17 August 2008
Godot said:
Soriku said:
Umm...don't they put "Only on Xbox 360" on exclusive games anyway? I mean there's no PS3 (or Wii) version planned...so I don't see why they wouldn't put "only on Xbox 360" when right now...that's the only system you can get the game.

Btw, Legendia is remembered for having the best soundtrack in the series O_o I mean I've listened to some songs but they don't sound as great as Symphonia or Destiny or Eternia. The best ToL song IMO is "Hurry". As for the actual game itself, it's a love/hate it game (kinda similar to FF VIII). You either put it really high on your list of awesome Tales games...or really low in your list of sucky Tales games.

Nope. The "Only on Xbox 360" is quite final.

Look for yourself:

Those games will be released on PS3 this year but these will never:

 

Tales of Vesperia didn't sell all that much compared to the other Tales games. It would have sold much better on PS3.

Anyway, I really don't care if that game doesn't sell as much as it would have in Japan because I practically bought a 360 for this game (well that and all the other JRPG).

 

I really thought that was true, until I found this:



talkingparrot on 17 August 2008
Zuhyc said:
Godot said:
Soriku said:
Umm...don't they put "Only on Xbox 360" on exclusive games anyway? I mean there's no PS3 (or Wii) version planned...so I don't see why they wouldn't put "only on Xbox 360" when right now...that's the only system you can get the game.

Btw, Legendia is remembered for having the best soundtrack in the series O_o I mean I've listened to some songs but they don't sound as great as Symphonia or Destiny or Eternia. The best ToL song IMO is "Hurry". As for the actual game itself, it's a love/hate it game (kinda similar to FF VIII). You either put it really high on your list of awesome Tales games...or really low in your list of sucky Tales games.

Nope. The "Only on Xbox 360" is quite final.

Look for yourself:

Those games will be released on PS3 this year but these will never:

 

Tales of Vesperia didn't sell all that much compared to the other Tales games. It would have sold much better on PS3.

Anyway, I really don't care if that game doesn't sell as much as it would have in Japan because I practically bought a 360 for this game (well that and all the other JRPG).

 

I really thought that was true, until I found this:

Tales of Vesperia PS3 confirmed.

 



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Shadowblind on 17 August 2008
talkingparrot said:
Zuhyc said:
Godot said:
Soriku said:
Umm...don't they put "Only on Xbox 360" on exclusive games anyway? I mean there's no PS3 (or Wii) version planned...so I don't see why they wouldn't put "only on Xbox 360" when right now...that's the only system you can get the game.

Btw, Legendia is remembered for having the best soundtrack in the series O_o I mean I've listened to some songs but they don't sound as great as Symphonia or Destiny or Eternia. The best ToL song IMO is "Hurry". As for the actual game itself, it's a love/hate it game (kinda similar to FF VIII). You either put it really high on your list of awesome Tales games...or really low in your list of sucky Tales games.

Nope. The "Only on Xbox 360" is quite final.

Look for yourself:

Those games will be released on PS3 this year but these will never:

 

Tales of Vesperia didn't sell all that much compared to the other Tales games. It would have sold much better on PS3.

Anyway, I really don't care if that game doesn't sell as much as it would have in Japan because I practically bought a 360 for this game (well that and all the other JRPG).

 

I really thought that was true, until I found this:

Tales of Vesperia PS3 confirmed.

 

LOL of course it is. Of course it is. I guess it should be because 360 is getting Final Fantasy XIII.

 



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