Who the hell said Cellius is fake? In January they launched a website. http://www.cellius.jp/  More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellius

The three games shown off were focus test images.  However, the company exists, and when everyone thought it was gone, a website popped up not only with information of its existence but with an address of where it is. (Shocking you guys spread FUD).

Also Namco likes MONEY.  The same reason FFXIII went multi, is the same reason this game is going multi.  You also do know the PS3 has an exclusive Tales game coming out for it as well right?  I swear, intelligence > fanboyism.

Vesperia is a big deal to me because it has interest to me.
Though just mild interest, not enough to buy a X360.
Now I understand better how lots of the series fans felt when Symphonia was released on GC, and why they didn't buy a GC for it. They bought it after when it released on PS2 though.

But I feel the series will stay very niche. It just has no chance to expand at all with the way they're managing it. It's just mistakes after mistakes.
They put the worst ones on the DS, and the gaiden on the Wii, which just doesn't make sense as it can't make the series appeal to new players.
Then they put their main one on the console with the audience the farthest from their target in Japan, acknowledgely because of bad forecast and bad decisions from them.

They realise their mistake though, as can be seen by the fact that they quickly delayed and tried to improve the gaiden on Wii. But first impressions from Japan confirm what I thought, in that it wasn't enough.

I feel Namco thought they would do what the GC did with ToS, seeing the very few JRPG like it in the West. They probably think it will sell well like ToS, or Abyss.
But it wasn't enough with ToS on GC, and it's even worse now with ToV on XB360.
They're alienating their main japanese audience, or it's shrinking pretty fast.

I dunno. I think that when you can get 24,000 people to buy a console just to play your JRPG, then you have a pretty loyal fanbase.

Of course not all of the 500,000 Tales fanatics in Japan were gonna go out and buy 360's to play ToV. But the game was huge, for a 360 game, and if you expected it to sell much more than it did, and blame those lost sales on anything other than the 360 userbase(aka the games performance and popularity) then you're wrong. People bought Japan out of Xbox 360s. For Japanese people to buy that console....well the game is pretty popular over there.

If they released it on the PS3 or Wii, hell yeah it would have sold more copies. Userbase alone.

Now, I'm interesting in what you mean when you say:

They put the worst ones on the DS, and the gaiden on the Wii, which just doesn't make sense as it can't make the series appeal to new players.
Then they put their main one on the console with the audience the farthest from their target in Japan, acknowledgely because of bad forecast and bad decisions from them.

They realise their mistake though, as can be seen by the fact that they quickly delayed and tried to improve the gaiden on Wii. But first impressions from Japan confirm what I thought, in that it wasn't enough.

Are you talking about ToS2 on the Wii, and saying that is sucks?

Also, why do you assume Namco puts the worst Tales on the DS?

Tales of Hearts is a mothership title, for the DS, coming out soon, and next year a brand new mothership title will release for the Wii. It seems like they are trying to change what you're talking about, but you'll have to explain exactly what you mean by "gaiden," in the sense that you mean. You mean sequel?

And for the record, I'm very glad ToV is on the 360, because I can play it without worrying about having my PS3 returned.

I can understand the fandom the Tales series has, but the gushing in this thread is completely unnecessary.  I've played every Tales game (and finished only 4 of them- Symphonia, Destiny, Phantasia, Abyss)- and for what its worth- they are good to great at best.  The review scores, sales numbers, and critical reception will give you an idea to gauge what the series is worth.

Tales has, and always will be, a second tier RPG.   It caters to a particular audience.  It isn't as niche as say a Disagaea, or any of the Nippon Ichi titles, however, its still not a million seller in any sense of the word.

My frustration with this thread begins with fanboys who claim the game will never come out on another console (you know who I'm talking about- are you really that dense?), people acting as if this game is the gemstone in the RPG caveat for the 360 (that belongs to Final Fantasy XIII and Mass Effect), and as if suddenly this game will end the HD console war in Japan.

I've lived in Japan for 6 months for a semester of school.   Most people here have no idea what the lifestyle is over there.  I am garunteeing you this, half of those 360s will be traded back in immediately.  Same goes for the PS3s.  Until and unless they shrink the sizes of the respective consoles down - or - they figure a way to truly captivate the imagination of the audience (Wii Sports and potentially Little Big Planet), there will be deadpan in the region.

Namco is intelligent- they like money, they know their boundaries, and will take money hats when they can get them.  The game will end up on the PS3.  Tales of Symphonia 2 will come out in the USA (only I am garunteeing you it sucks- I'm playing it right now). Finally, the HD RPG console war will not be decided by this game.  These proxy battles people bicker about are pointless.  I can point out Valkyria Chronicles (an RPG that has been extremely well previewed), White Knight Story (by Level 5- who are positioning themselves as the next Square Enix), and Fire Emblem on the Wii.  In the end, this game is destned for multiplatform love, unlike those three above.

http://www.cellius.jp/ try that link.

It would be public knowledge if the company was fake.  An active website would not exist.  An address would not be given. Soriku, quit spreading FUD.

Sony has been holding cards close to their chest.  Wait for TGS.  We haven't heard anything on Team ICO or White Knight Story either.  They are playing it by ear.  Until and unless its dead, don't make outrageous claims.

Also Soriku, a few months ago, a new Tales of RPG was announced exclusively to PS3. A Naruto game from Namco is also exclusive to PS3. Tekken 6 will also be exclusive to PS3 and runs off PS3 hardware. Is it that far fetched to put two and two together and realize that technologies based around Cellius were used in those games?

Tales of Vesperia will never make it to PS3 because of this:

"Only on Xbox 360"

Oh and they are alienating their main Japanese audience. This game just won't be remembered in Japan like the others has been.

@Talkingparrot, There was no PS3 tales announced. There was another Wii one, a DS one, and PSP one announced though.