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I don't agree with piracy, at least not when the person doing it has the resources to pay for the game. If they are a student and/or stuggling to make ends meet, I don't see the problem, as they'd never have bought the game anyway.

However for less 'developed' nations, piracy is so rampant and prevalent that only a rich saint would actually buy new stuff all the time. I visited Venezuela and all the stores in malls and stuff had burned stuff for sale. If you wanted to buy the actual original game you'd have to go out of your way and pay an exorbitant price for it.

I can hardly blame anyone living in those circumstances for piracy. It you can download it for free, that's probably better than supporting bootleggers and otherwise games would just be so expensive you'd never play them at all.



 

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cleveland124 said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
I think stealing from individuals is evil and stealing from corporations deserves somewhere between a slap on the wrist and a congratulations, depending on which corporation it was.


If you steal some ones and zeroes over the internet from multimedia conglomerates, I don't care.

If you steal a car or a laptop, eat shit and die.

If you steal a $100 pair of Nikes, fuck yes, you're a hero. That money wasn't going to the starving slaves in Indonesia anyway.


Corporations don't have morals or even bodies. Their job is to take as much money from us as possible. Our job is to give them as little money as possible, if any at all. If they're not going to be held to the same standards as individuals are, then they shouldn't get the same moral high ground when they're being robbed blind. Fuck 'em.

Companies are the individuals and individuals the companies. Corporations for the most part don't have morals but that's largely because our population doesn't have morals. I mean two threads going on simultaneous where people are arguing that pirating isn't really wrong. I mean really where do we go from here?

Basically if businesses don't make money they can't pay their employees. I'm from around the Toledo, OH area and Dana Corporation just announced today that 3,000 layoffs were occuring. They haven't been profitable for a while and essentially you can't run a business if you can't pay your employees. But who pays for their poor performance (or management issues)? It's the employees. In this market they are going to have serious trouble getting positions.

Oh, but yes, all the profits they steal from people for their stockholders? Enron is a good example of a company completely focused on profits and deserved to go down right? http://www.usatoday.com/money/energy/2002-02-04-enron-remedies.htm People lost everthing in Enron. People that didn't know what was going on and didn't make the decisions. If you think most management in the country is corrupt, fine. But typically when you steal from a company (even in piracy) one of three things happens.

1. A worker loses their raise/gets laid off.

2. Prices are raised and the consumer pays the difference.

3. Some retired stockholder has to work a little bit longer to pay for retirement.

The CEO and President will still be driving their European sportscar and getting six figure bonuses. They make the decisions, they aren't going to take a paycut.

I wanted to emphasize this. The CEO and the rest of the upper management don't take a hit. They don't ever decide to take less money. What happens is the peon workers (me) get laid off or lose income.

To make up for what money the company didn't make, the company lays off hundreds or thousands of workers so that those higher ups, like the CEO, don't lose a dime. Plenty of CEO's have run a company into the ground, without giving a damn, and then taking their large sum of money and moving on. Not giving a second thought to the families they've harmed.



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Pirating games is cool. It means free games and more money for me to spend on drugs and booze.



Onyxmeth said:
Hawk said:
marciosmg said:

I pirated 95% of my PS1 games, 100% of my PS2 and now 100% of my 360 games. To me it is as simple as if I don´t buy pirated games I won´t buy real ones, so no company is losing real money because of me. Games here are so expensive it is impossible for 95% of the people in my country to buy.

What a classic excuse. I do agree with stof, that pirating games is not the biggest sin in the world, but I still do not appreciate the people that do. And if you wouldn't have bought the game in the first place, then plain and simple, you shouldn't have it.

I'm not condoning the act of piracy here, but you really have no place as an American to tell someone from Brazil whether they should pirate games or not. Brazil gets screwed royally up the ass in game prices and I personally give anyone from that country my blessing to pirate, because they don't have the same priviliges Americans have with game prices.

 

Keep in mind, we are talking about a luxury here.  We are not talking about a necessity at all.  When it comes to someone who does not have the opportunity to earn what is necessary in life to survive, then my views change.  But we are talking luxuries, a purely not needed or necessary service. 

Yes, I still absolutely see it as stealing and wrong to pirate a luxury because you don't have the money for it.  As rich as you may view the American standard, there is far richer.  I certainly don't think that just because I can't afford a ferrarri or yaht, that society owes it to me to provide them for free.  Just because I don't have the money to extensively travel, doesn't mean airlines and hotels should provide services to me for free.



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WessleWoggle said:
twesterm said:
WessleWoggle said:
Dude, nothing is wrong with being a pirate. They charge way too much for the games. Well, people have different morals.

For me it's the game, not how I get it.

 

You're right, you're only taking money away from the people who put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into the game to bring you the very game you're stealing. But I'm sure you think they all lead rockstar lives, right?

Why do you think you're special enough to get the game for free why everyone pays? Why do you think you're special enough to steal the game and take away from the people who brought it to you?

Just curious, what lame excuse do you use to justify being a thief? Actually, it really doesn't matter since each one is as bullshit as the next. In the end you only do it because you're too cheap to actually pay for it and you're just being a selfish jerk.

 

Why do I think I'm speical enough to get a game free that everyone pays for? Because I'm smart enough to know how. :^)

My justification is not a lame excuse, it's not like I'm taking a peice of bread from a starving man. I'm taking away potential dollars away from people who don't need the money as much as I do, but those people have no right to complain, since they obviously live well to the world standard. There in the modern world making video games.

 

So, you think you are completely justified to be a mooch.  Someone else is working for a living, and they are earning plenty for it.  So you think you don't have to work then, and will just live off of taking from them.  I still don't find that justified.



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twesterm said:
colonelstubbs said:
Everybody pirated games on the psone. Show me someone who didnt

I didn't, those people that do pirate can burn in hell for all I care (though I don't mind reformed pirates since they at least learned their lesson and don't do it anymore).

-edit-

Just curious, you make it sound like you pirated games back in the NES days, did you?  I wasn't even aware you really could back then.

As for pirating NES games now, I should clear things up and say I don't have a problem with people pirating and emulating abandonware games that you just can't buy anymore.   Now as they become available through things like the VC I expect you to buy them, but until then I don't have a huge problem with it.

 

 

I'm in this catagory now.  I have a certain nostalgia for some old games and emulators, especially for the PSP are the way to go for me.

As for my pirate days.  I used to copy a few games (PC games) when my friends and I were alot younger.  Of course, the ratio of games that I bought to games that I copied is somewhere around 10 to 1.  I also never copied PS1 games.  In fact, the PS1 games I'm playing on my PSP now are games that I own (I almost never get rid of games).

I give this thread a 9.7.



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Hawk said:
Onyxmeth said:
Hawk said:
marciosmg said:

I pirated 95% of my PS1 games, 100% of my PS2 and now 100% of my 360 games. To me it is as simple as if I don´t buy pirated games I won´t buy real ones, so no company is losing real money because of me. Games here are so expensive it is impossible for 95% of the people in my country to buy.

What a classic excuse. I do agree with stof, that pirating games is not the biggest sin in the world, but I still do not appreciate the people that do. And if you wouldn't have bought the game in the first place, then plain and simple, you shouldn't have it.

I'm not condoning the act of piracy here, but you really have no place as an American to tell someone from Brazil whether they should pirate games or not. Brazil gets screwed royally up the ass in game prices and I personally give anyone from that country my blessing to pirate, because they don't have the same priviliges Americans have with game prices.

 

Keep in mind, we are talking about a luxury here.  We are not talking about a necessity at all.  When it comes to someone who does not have the opportunity to earn what is necessary in life to survive, then my views change.  But we are talking luxuries, a purely not needed or necessary service. 

Yes, I still absolutely see it as stealing and wrong to pirate a luxury because you don't have the money for it.  As rich as you may view the American standard, there is far richer.  I certainly don't think that just because I can't afford a ferrarri or yaht, that society owes it to me to provide them for free.  Just because I don't have the money to extensively travel, doesn't mean airlines and hotels should provide services to me for free.

Still, you have to admit that 3rd world piracy doesn't affect the video game industry in any way. Why?

1. With significantly lower purchasing power and ridiculously higher prices. Only the presidents of 3rd world countries can afford to play games

2. Due to point 1, almost no one would be purchasing games in 3rd world countries anyway if piracy didn't exist. In fact, piracy helps to sell consoles which benefits the industry (if the consoles are sold for profit like the wii).

3. There's a reason why the term "piracy" is used in place of "stealing". Its because they're different. In most 3rd world cases, people actually buy pirated games from stores so they still paid for them. Just not the same amount as the original. In most cases, 3rd world stores only stock pirated copies because they know that no one will pay for the original when there's a much cheaper version that'll work just as well.

 



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I question people trying to say that used game purchasing is just fine while piracy is wrong.

Places like Gamestop/EB Games are the real scammers. Just as an example:

They have these "play it for 7 days and return it for full credit" on certain new titles at EB games here in canada. What does this bullshit encourage?

- That 7 day old game becomes a used game, despite being basically brand new. EB games/gamestop will now sell it for $5 under retail in an attempt to get frugal customers to support them instead of the developers.

- The person who bought that 7 day old game for a small pitance under retail probally gets tired of it eventually and trades it back in. EB games/gamestop gives a $x credit for it and again prices it just below what a brand new copy (if available) is going for.

Used game vendors like EB games/gamestop are the ones taking food off your plate. They create an economy of used games that completely cuts developers out of the picture. Yes, ebay is very similar in that it's an avenue for people to buy and sell games without paying retail. However, EBG/GS are different because their entire business model requires they make money off the skin of developers. So while developers see money from the initial purchase, what about each subsequent purchase and trade in? Who's the real thief?



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Pirating games is great. Most of these games don't even deserve the 50 bucks they charge for it.



Pristine20 said:

Still, you have to admit that 3rd world piracy doesn't affect the video game industry in any way. Why?

1. With significantly lower purchasing power and ridiculously higher prices. Only the presidents of 3rd world countries can afford to play games

2. Due to point 1, almost no one would be purchasing games in 3rd world countries anyway if piracy didn't exist. In fact, piracy helps to sell consoles which benefits the industry (if the consoles are sold for profit like the wii).

3. There's a reason why the term "piracy" is used in place of "stealing". Its because they're different. In most 3rd world cases, people actually buy pirated games from stores so they still paid for them. Just not the same amount as the original. In most cases, 3rd world stores only stock pirated copies because they know that no one will pay for the original when there's a much cheaper version that'll work just as well.

 

3rd world piracy does affect the video game industry. 

1.  I don't buy the higher prices argument.  Yes, you may find someplace that you can buy games for $200.  But if the individual uses play-asia or ebay, they could get games at comparable prices to the US and Japan anywhere in the world.  They just choose not to, because pirating is so easy. 

2.  Someone must be purchasing games or the big three wouldn't release their systems there.  China didn't have video games for a long time.  But their economy is booming now and people are spending money in places they wouldn't have before.   Also, most third world countries have quickly growing economies.  And the problem is once a pirate always a pirate.  There are a few on this thread who gained a conscience, but for the most part, if you are getting $1,000s of dollars of games for free a year, it will be tough to ever justify paying for them.

3.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy "Piracy is a robbery committed at sea, or sometimes on the shore, without a commission from a sovereign nation (robbery with sovereign commission is privateering, and distinct from piracy)."

Last I knew robbery was stealing.  But what do I know.  Piracy is certainly theft.  The difference is it does lack deception and force.  As such, it is typically punished less harshly than most thefts.  It's also much more difficult to catch than most thefts.