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Forums - Sales - 360 Worldwide Sales Numbers Aren't Even Plausible - 19.5M 360 Sales

cleveland124 on 08 August 2008
Aj_habfan said:
papflesje said:
Whether or not the topic starter is correct or not (and whether or not it's about deflated PS3 sales, inflated Xbox sales or whatever else is under-overtracked...):

Whenever one questions certain sales, it's always "fanboy!" or "VGC rules" or something.

How about a sensible talk about how VGC actually gets its data, in order to improve it or to comment on it, so that they may get even better results and such? No, it's always "attack the one challenging VGC".

Man, you've only been here for like a month or two, in a few months you will have fun with these threads too. People already explained it too him, and there will always be people that do that. But come on, these threads are a free pass to post some funny shit, take advantage of it.

Yes, the problem is that there is no information usually to debate.  It's always, no way PS has sold that much.  Or I don't think the price cut would have helped that much.  Had this poster but the time into a detailed post to show how he came up to the 19.5 we could debate his techniques.  Now, there's not really much to go on.

 



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kirby007 on 08 August 2008

lol



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Oyvoyvoyv on 08 August 2008
cleveland124 said:
Aj_habfan said:
papflesje said:
Whether or not the topic starter is correct or not (and whether or not it's about deflated PS3 sales, inflated Xbox sales or whatever else is under-overtracked...):

Whenever one questions certain sales, it's always "fanboy!" or "VGC rules" or something.

How about a sensible talk about how VGC actually gets its data, in order to improve it or to comment on it, so that they may get even better results and such? No, it's always "attack the one challenging VGC".

Man, you've only been here for like a month or two, in a few months you will have fun with these threads too. People already explained it too him, and there will always be people that do that. But come on, these threads are a free pass to post some funny shit, take advantage of it.

Yes, the problem is that there is no information usually to debate.  It's always, no way PS has sold that much.  Or I don't think the price cut would have helped that much.  Had this poster but the time into a detailed post to show how he came up to the 19.5 we could debate his techniques.  Now, there's not really much to go on.

 

I have proof that the Ps3 is undertracked!

But I'm not telling you 

 



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BKK2 on 08 August 2008
RedwoodShores said:

I have acess to Media Create, NPD, and Chart-Track/GTK numbers at work

Post the Chart-Track/GfK numbers so we can see where the discrepancy is.

 



BKK2 on 08 August 2008
RedwoodShores said:

There seems to be a fairly large number of mystery sales being reported for the 360 in the Others category along with a somewhat inflated North America life to date sales that come out to some 500-600 thousand extra 360 sales that have no data to back them up with.

 

USA NPD Through June 08:
360: 10.49m
Canada NPD Through June 08:
360: 0.84m
Mexico IDG Through December 07:
360: 0.55m

Total: 11.88m

Americas VGC Through June 08:
360: 11.78m

Considering the 11.88m figure doesn't include 2008 Mexico figures or any figures from South America I'd say 360 is more undertracked than overtracked compared to NPD/IDG in Americas.

Japan Media Create Through July 08:
360: 600k
Japan VGC Through July 08:
360: 640k

Just 40k difference in Japan, which only leaves us waiting for you to post the Chart-Track/GfK data to see where the problem (if any) is.

 



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gebx on 08 August 2008
BKK2 said:
RedwoodShores said:

There seems to be a fairly large number of mystery sales being reported for the 360 in the Others category along with a somewhat inflated North America life to date sales that come out to some 500-600 thousand extra 360 sales that have no data to back them up with.

 

USA NPD Through June 08:
360: 10.49m
Canada NPD Through June 08:
360: 0.84m
Mexico IDG Through December 07:
360: 0.55m

Total: 11.88m

Americas VGC Through June 08:
360: 11.78m

Considering the 11.88m figure doesn't include 2008 Mexico figures or any figures from South America I'd say 360 is more undertracked than overtracked compared to NPD/IDG in Americas.

Japan Media Create Through July 08:
360: 600k
Japan VGC Through July 08:
360: 640k

Just 40k difference in Japan, which only leaves us waiting for you to post the Chart-Track/GfK data to see where the problem (if any) is.

 

 

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Half a million 360 sold more then the PS3? LOL!



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pppjjj on 08 August 2008
kowenicki said:
YAWN.... another paranoid Sony fan pops off to create a new profile just so they can post this pointless rubbish.

 

 I was about to say the same thing.



BKK2 on 08 August 2008

Gebx said:

Mexico rocks!

Half a million 360 sold more then the PS3? LOL!



^ 360 launched February 2006, PS3 launched August 2007. The chart is through December 2007. Still, 360 does very well in Mexico.



KZ2 on 08 August 2008

I bet the OP wants to add well the PS3 has according to my sales data sold over 15 million consoles worldwide.



RedwoodShores on 08 August 2008
cleveland124 said:

Yes, the problem is that there is no information usually to debate.  It's always, no way PS has sold that much.  Or I don't think the price cut would have helped that much.  Had this poster but the time into a detailed post to show how he came up to the 19.5 we could debate his techniques.  Now, there's not really much to go on.

 

There are no 'techniques'.

I'm looking at the same numbers everyone else is. It's not that complicated.

I had no idea that this site was actually trying to portray itself as an actual source of retail sales tracking data. I just assumed that this site was accumulating official retail sales tracking numbers.

Did anyone here ever take the time to stop and think about what it means to do retail sales tracking? And how much effort and resources it takes? NPD is a huge company and their data has been valuable enough for the games industry to be subscribing to their data for many years. And that entire firm is just able to handle the US market.

http://www.npd.com/corpServlet?nextpage=consumer-technology-retail-track_s.html

The PS3 is a around 4.5 million behind the 360 in worldwide sales as multiple industry people have stated over the past couple of months. They are looking at the exact same numbers I am and everyone else is.

Falling victim to 'it's true because I want to believe it is' is something that has been going on since the dawn of the console gaming market.