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slimeattack said:
Onyxmeth said:
slimeattack said:
dtewi said:
Aahh! So much delusion! Need help!
slimeattack said:
Everyone is forgetting that the brand name is strong throughout the casual gamers, and Sony has yet to court them (they ARE planning to do it in a year or two). I can give you many casuals that are planning to upgrade to the PS3 once there are more games and the price is lower.

Your anecdotal experience is worthless.

Here is a post of Sky Render's that destroys your post.

"An important note for those who try to argue that "brand name" will help the PS3: brand is the lowest factor on the consumer-side factors of demand. For those who don't know, there are five basic factors of demand in the classic economic model (suitability, price, demographic, product type, and competition). However, consumer-side and supplier-side demand have specific factors, with very little overlap. These factors are:

Consumer-side (in order of priority):
* Suitability
* Price
* Brand

Supplier-side (in order of priority):
* Product Type
* Demographic
* Competition
* Price

In a perfectly competitive market, suitability is a non-factor for consumers, as all products are equal. However, consoles are not a perfectly competitive market, as evidenced by the fact that one console always outsells all others in any given generation of products. The product which does this best suits the needs of the market demographic at large. "At large" being the key term here, as the PS3 does not suit the needs of the demographic at large as well as the Wii does (obviously enough, given the massive discrepancy in sales)."

 

Obliterator1700 said:
@ The Source: Sometimes trends don't follow. I think it's a little to early to say Wii has anything on the ps2. Just like The Dark Knight and Titanic...

 

Sometimes they don't. For example: It is a trend that Sony consoles sell great. The PS3 broke it.

But for some, they are not trends. They are realistic predictions. The Wii has something on the PS2 because it is selling faster than it and has the qualities of a dominant console.

 

Then give me a reason besides brand why the PS3 outsold the 360 holiday season '07 when the 360 had better exclusives, multiplats looked better on 360 and blu-ray didn't win the format war yet.

Price-drop.

 

 

Didn't the 360 also have a comparable price drop? The 40 GB was a stripped down model, not a lower price.

You talk about the 40 GB as an informed consumer. Here's what the average joe saw. "Oh wow, this thing used to be $600 and now it's $400 with a bunch of Blu-Ray movies!". Not everyone knows or knew the PS3 40 GB was stripped down. It's not like they advertised that aspect of it.

Secondly the writing was already on the wall for HD-DVD. Blockbuster had gone Blu Ray-only over the Summer and studios were turning their heads towards Sony and Blu Ray. Customers don't need to be very informed to walk into a Blockbuster and hear they'll only be stocking Blu Ray. That is a pretty clear message for many.

As far as I know, the 360 didn't have a comparable price drop during that time. I could be wrong though.

 



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slimeattack said:

 

Then give me a reason besides brand why the PS3 outsold the 360 holiday season '07 when the 360 had better exclusives, multiplats looked better on 360 and blu-ray didn't win the format war yet.

I, personally, took a PS3 not out of loyalty to Sony, but partly due to Microsoft hatred.  There are other reasons, of course:

RRoD on the 360.  It's insulting to have such a high failure rate on the hardware.
The games that were sort of promised, previously exclusive to Sony systems.  Notably FF13 - as time goes on, we'll be seeing Microsoft/Nintendo taking more and more.
Bluray was doing much better than HD-DVD, I believe.  You have to buy an add-on to play HD-DVD's on the 360 anyway (I think).

That's for me personally, of course.  As for Europe / Japan, it's a given Sony would outsell them there.

On topic, I think the PS3 would be lucky to reach half that (75m).



dtewi said:
slimeattack said:

Didn't the 360 also have a comparable price drop? The 40 GB was a stripped down model, not a lower price.

TheSource gave you good reasons.

"PS3 sold better than 360 in Q4 2007 because:

1) Bigger price drop than 360 had in the USA to neutralize 360 momentum in the Americas

2) Much better sales in Japan

3) First Christmas in Europe - 360's third - thats a really big deal"

Did you choose not to read it?

Also, I said I didn't know much on the matter of 2007 Christmas.

"Third time's a charm."I had to say it again.

 

 



150m! lmfao, your kidding right? i cant see the PS3 selling 100m let alone 150m and i own a PS3!



LOL NO. the ps2 hasn't even reached that many sales and it's the most succesful home game console in history.



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TheSource said:

PS3 sold better than 360 in Q4 2007 because:

1) Bigger price drop than 360 had in the USA to neutralize 360 momentum in the Americas

2) Much better sales in Japan

3) <b>First Christmas in Europe - 360's third - thats a really big deal</b>

 

 

Doesn't a console peak during its third Christmas?



RolStoppable said:
Sony's ten year plan for the PS3 is one of the most idiotic things in videogames history. What's worse is that so many people seem to actually believe in that plan.

 

KH3 being a Wii exclusive is one of the most pathetic predictions ever. Why would they make it for the Wii when RPGs don't sell on it?



 

 



TheSource said:

Do you guys work for viral marketers? Its going to be a cold day in hell when we don't have at least five of these threads a day.

On topic:

No.

Ten Reasons:

1) The ten year plan is nonsense. PS2 will still sell 1m units in 2011 because its peak was so high, thats year 11 from the 2000 Japan launch. The plan is theoretical. It worked even better than expected with PS2 because PS2 had the highest peak of any system ever (21m+ shipped in a year) until DS last year (30.3m shipped in a year).

2) Xbox 360 is more viable than Xbox ever was in all three regions worldwide.

3) Wii is trending faster than DS and DS is trending faster than PS2. In other words, regionally Wii sales>PS2 sales>PS3 sales

4) Blu Ray relevance is over rated, its not enough of a step up for most people to become the DVD of the future. I know 30 people in my college with HD TVs, 20 of them have Wiis, none of them have Blu Ray. I know thats just anecdotal, so here is better evidence: Japan and Europe have higher adoption rates of Blu Ray than USA, and Wii still outsells PS3 in those reasons. I see no reason to expect a change, as Wii is close to $400 in much of Europe vs. PS3 at $600 - both are overpriced.

5) Most big hits are now multiplatform, Wii, DS or PSP games.

6) PS2 sold over 7m in the USA in three years in the Americas, and over 4m in Japan in its peak. PS3 is going to have issues peaking at 2m in a year in Japan and over 5m in the USA in one year, let alone multiple years that it would need to top PS2.

7) Wii & Xbox 360 will always be cheaper than PS3, and if PS3 started to gain momentum (i.e. outselling the other two by a wide margin worldwide), one or both successors would be announced, and the PS3 tech advantage would dissappear overnight as would the sales momentum.

8) Sony can't aggressively cut prices right now because the world economy is in the shitter. By extension Sony is making less money than they would be otherwise and they lose money on PS3. Selling more PS3s is actually bad for Sony at the moment even though alot of the costs are recouped from software.

9) Higher development costs and slower launch sales mean that PS3 development is risky for developers. There are only so many games that can sell 1 million copies on a base of 15m, and with diminishing returns vs. last gen, the portables, PS2, PC, Wii and cellphones look like better investments.

10) Women greatly prefer Wii to traditional platforms. Even if you think think only sells to a fraction of the men PS2 does, women are very under-served in this industry, and catering to them is a way to achieve huge growth very quickly. Make no mistake, DS wouldn't be where it is without women, and Wii is following a similar trajectory. Among men, Xbox 360 hurts PS3 in the west since its cheaper, and Wii hurts PS3 because its more diversified and cheaper.

 

QFT

The PS3 will do well this generation and most likely will be a 2nd place console, but I don't see it breaking even 80M, much less 120M or 150M.



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No, one reason being because PS2 owners are moving to the Wii/360. It wont even reach 100 million. In fact I am so confident in that, that should the PS3 pass 100 million I will give all vgchartz members £100.



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